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LillyTown:
--- Quote from: SirSkyRider on June 09, 2013, 04:53:16 AM ---@LillyTown: By "generic characters and shitty plot" I was (more or less) concentrating on what I called
--- Quote ---the umptillionth generic high school action harem comedy series
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and really... what these are doing is just not good. Look at any in first episode or even the intro of such a series and if you look at the characters – especially the female ones – you can pretty much tell who fits which stereotype (tsundere etc.) and quite frankly, it is not a good sign for the plot either because these characters are very likely to etc etc etc trimming for space
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I'm gonna just cut to the chase: I think you and a good majority of others think something has to be different or exciting or a 'surprise' to be worthy of existence or atleast your time. I don't feel that way; I'm fine with another 'high school action harem comedy' as long as it improves on some aspect of those that have come before it. Just as we've had a zillion Olympic high-jumpers and it's pretty much the same every year yet it's still exciting to see someone set a new record.
Studios could start taking old shows and 'rebuilding' them a la Rebuild of Evangelion(I assume for the most part they just traced keyframes digitally with minor changes here n there??) to improve the art and I'd be thrilled.
Also, there's a reason cliches are just that: because they 'work' well and people like them. I feel that holds true in all aspects of life, the most 'cliche' form of something is probably the 'best' in some way. I'm not saying I'm happy to sit around watching the same 4 high school harem shows that are really the same damn thing, all the time for years on end. I like a little variety as I get sick of anything if I do it non-stop, all the time.
Finally, I don't think the masses care about how 'interesting' a main character is, so long as they're not an obvious cardboard cut-out(an 'archetype'). They WANT a cliche, likeable character, someone that they can sympathise with, someone they want to be. Why didn't they have an overweight, dark skinned, balding old man with a gambling problem and whittles laser guns from soapstone? That'd be interesting, no?
Anvh:
It might sound crazy but won't it be possible to actual license a production, or at least come to an legal agreement with the producers?
From what i read many won't mind paying for an anime download if they know the quality is good and that a fair share goes to the producers.
I found some figures here for the license fee. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115579-Court-Documents-Reveal-Anime-Licensing-Costs
Some are expensive but others seem really doable, like Air for example. $20,000 for the movie and $145,000 for the anime, so if all the power users would pay $0,40 for the movie and $2 for the anime you would have those officially licensed... Those are very reasonable numbers.
Best way would of course be to work without a minimum guarantee but with a high revenue share and pay per download, that way the cost and risk will be low for the ones offering the download. But I doubt that the producers want to do that... but if they don't have offers to license it internationally then what would they have to lose?
Anyone interesting to look into that? ;)
Lord of Fire:
--- Quote from: Anvh on October 22, 2013, 07:08:41 PM ---It might sound crazy but won't it be possible to actual license a production, or at least come to an legal agreement with the producers?
From what i read many won't mind paying for an anime download if they know the quality is good and that a fair share goes to the producers.
I found some figures here for the license fee. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115579-Court-Documents-Reveal-Anime-Licensing-Costs
Some are expensive but others seem really doable, like Air for example. $20,000 for the movie and $145,000 for the anime, so if all the power users would pay $0,40 for the movie and $2 for the anime you would have those officially licensed... Those are very reasonable numbers.
Best way would of course be to work without a minimum guarantee but with a high revenue share and pay per download, that way the cost and risk will be low for the ones offering the download. But I doubt that the producers want to do that... but if they don't have offers to license it internationally then what would they have to lose?
Anyone interesting to look into that? ;)
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I can name several factors that will ensure this would never get off the ground anytime soon, if ever:
1) Language. You need to speak fluent Japanese and know how to talk in technical terms. You can be guaranteed that the Japanese production committees will want to deal in their own language, not yours.
2) Reputation. No way in hell will the production committees risk licensing their product to an unknown entity. After all, how can they be assured they get the royalties they're entitled to? And you'd need to keep them up-to-date with sales/stream/download stats, else you risk getting sued for fraud.
3) Connections. Just having the license is one thing, but if you want to release it to the public, you'll need someone to host your services (if you want streaming or even download to own), or know various international distributors if you're interested in home video releases. And what if people want your show dubbed? Do you know any dub studios you could turn to for that?
4) Money. You think the heft sum of money you paid for Extremely Popular Show X is all you need? Well, depending on how far you want to go releasing the anime, you'll need at least double that amount, probably even more. Assuming you're not Bill Gates or any other rich dude, where are you going to get the money from?
jaybug:
I think it helps the industry albeit only to a small extent, by having people talk about their works here in this and other forums. If no one is talking about them, or only saying bad things about them, it isn't exactly inspiring new viewers to bother to watch any is it? Nor does it help if all you talk about seems to be only about what many people would think of as some form of deviation, or perversion.
Anvh:
--- Quote from: Lord of Fire on October 22, 2013, 08:03:16 PM ---I can name several factors that will ensure this would never get off the ground anytime soon, if ever:
1) Language. You need to speak fluent Japanese and know how to talk in technical terms. You can be guaranteed that the Japanese production committees will want to deal in their own language, not yours.
2) Reputation. No way in hell will the production committees risk licensing their product to an unknown entity. After all, how can they be assured they get the royalties they're entitled to? And you'd need to keep them up-to-date with sales/stream/download stats, else you risk getting sued for fraud.
3) Connections. Just having the license is one thing, but if you want to release it to the public, you'll need someone to host your services (if you want streaming or even download to own), or know various international distributors if you're interested in home video releases. And what if people want your show dubbed? Do you know any dub studios you could turn to for that?
4) Money. You think the heft sum of money you paid for Extremely Popular Show X is all you need? Well, depending on how far you want to go releasing the anime, you'll need at least double that amount, probably even more. Assuming you're not Bill Gates or any other rich dude, where are you going to get the money from?
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1. if you want to at least appeal to the international market then i'm sure they have someone that can at least talk English and all legal documents can easily be translated so there should not be too much friction there. Or else i'm sure you can find a translator somewhere ;)
2. that's a good point but not in a way you describe it. It's easy to log the amount of views and earnings per production that you service, that's not the problem.
Problem would be the representative value of the production, that need to be good for the company.
3. i think you missed the point there. Like i said in my comment, many here seem to indicate that they like fansub over any other production so that means a download solution with subs only. I don't know why you would want to complicate things with home video release while the whole market is currently moving to the internet. Sure you need a server but that's not a biggy this time and age. Also like you say in point 4 the amount of money you've is not large so the focus will be on the smaller productions, many of those currently aren't even released any way outside Japan so to have an "official/legal" release is already a big enough step into the right direction. So lets not talk about the amount of money and effort that goes into dubbing, it's simply not worth it investment wise and not the goal.
4. There are different kinds of agreements of course and no way you can start out with the most popular shows and why should you, those have a fairly good change to get picked up with the major studios already. The focus should be the on the smaller shows that otherwise would not be released outside of Japan. The production studios behind it should not see it as their main goal to get money from it and that would be a hard one to convince them off. Now those productions gets scan-lated so it's lost revenue. The idea is to turn those scan-lations into legal products.
The production studio give the original files, scanlators have better file quality and maybe the option for additional support from the studio (maybe...) so you get a better product.
The money earned is dived into the license fee (per download if it can and make the durations short with automatic renewal), part goes to the scanlators for their effort, then the server cost and any other management cost you might have (translators, lawyers, accounted, ect.)
The idea is not to make a company, that's gets too complicated and their are too many interests. You want to connect the producers and the scan-lators so that the fans have a better product and a way to support the producers. This will not work with major productions indeed but if you start out small and create a lot of goodwill and thrust you might come quite far if you proof that the concept work.
Best way to start might be to contact a manga artist to translate their one-shots which have little risks involve.
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