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So much for privacy on the Whole Wide World (Ed on TED)
« on: June 08, 2013, 11:55:18 AM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order

Just read this, what do you guys think? I have no fuckin' clue what the fuck they're thinking? This is so should I say unamerican.

EDIT: To stop this sign the petition made by mozilla, FSF and the other organization.

https://optin.stopwatching.us/

EDIT: The Day We Fight Back petition (International) / (2/12/2014)

https://thedaywefightback.org/international/
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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2013, 12:10:51 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order

Just read this, what do you guys think? I have no fuckin' clue what the fuck they're thinking? This is so should I say unamerican.

On the contrary, that's what I would expect from the phoniest 'democracy' on earth. 'End justifies the means' is as american as it gets.
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Offline sawakosadako

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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2013, 12:41:33 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order

Just read this, what do you guys think? I have no fuckin' clue what the fuck they're thinking? This is so should I say unamerican.

On the contrary, that's what I would expect from the phoniest 'democracy' on earth. 'End justifies the means' is as american as it gets.
I meant it as a sarcasm of course.
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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2013, 12:47:17 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order
Just read this, what do you guys think? I have no fuckin' clue what the fuck they're thinking? This is so should I say unamerican.
On the contrary, that's what I would expect from the phoniest 'democracy' on earth. 'End justifies the means' is as american as it gets.
I meant it as a sarcasm of course.
...but you didn't follow Poe's law.

OT: I'm not surprised at all, since we're talking about the US.

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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2013, 01:37:23 PM »
Anyone who is actually surprised by this needs a slap in the face and told to wake up to reality.

I read somewhere that: "We are under attack by an 8th century ideology with 21st century technology." We, especially Americans, have a zero tolerance of these types of attacks. We, well... mostly the media, chastise the government if something like this actually happens. No one seems to remember (probably because the media didn't do diddle squat to report it) the prevented NYC Time Square bombing plot that was thwarted using this system. I've known since 2009 that a lot, if not all, of Americans were being watched. The thing is, I really don't think the NSA is sharing all this information with other agencies or else you'd see a lot more people getting arrested for internet crimes that don't relate to national security.

Is it Orwellian? Yep. Is there a government lady on the TV screen telling me to do my jumping jacks properly? No. I know most people here would say that this is wrong and spying on every single person in the USA is deplorable. Hell, I agree with them.. but what other options do you have to monitor potential threats?

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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2013, 02:29:45 PM »
Well, it's hypocrisy that gets me. At least China and Russia are more "honest" about surveillance. They don't spout idealistic quotes, but go tell to fuck yourself in form of riot police if you are unhappy with their surveillance. At least there you know where they stand on the issue.
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2013, 02:52:23 PM »
What gets me is this is yet another moment of sincerity where you realize that the jaded view of the two party state being largely ornamental is more true than not. Yet the illusion persists.

Vote Republican in 2016, surely then you'll get a President that respects your civil liberties.

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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2013, 01:46:59 AM »
I love how the media is jumping on this now when this has been out in the open since at least 2006 when Bush was president. It is impossible to analyze all data (phone, internet, transactions) so the NSA is looking for patterns or targeting specific individuals/groups. My phone service is through Verizon and I have no plans to drop them as a carrier as not a single fuck is given that the spooky NSA has it on record at the Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative Data Center in Utah I called my parents a certain number of times in May....hell they probably have it on record that I made this post. In the end I would rather see data mined, analyzed, and stored for national security than sold off to marketing companies for a profit.

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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2013, 02:25:20 AM »
If they aren't monitoring the contents of the call, I don't see it invading privacy per se, but it still crosses a line.

I'm glad I live in Canada and not the US. Sure, we are becoming more and more like it, but at least this crap isn't happening yet.

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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2013, 02:34:58 AM »
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The National Security Agency's monitoring of Americans includes customer records from the three major phone networks as well as emails and Web searches, and the agency also has cataloged credit-card transactions, said people familiar with the agency's activities.

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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2013, 02:59:16 AM »
What gets me is this is yet another moment of sincerity where you realize that the jaded view of the two party state being largely ornamental is more true than not. Yet the illusion persists.

Vote Republican in 2016, surely then you'll get a President that respects your civil liberties.

Because.

That's why the USA needs at least 3 or more political parties, but sadly, I don't think we're up for that as a country.  People are too busy watching rubbish like Jersey Shore and Honey Boo Boo.

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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2013, 03:31:24 AM »
What gets me is this is yet another moment of sincerity where you realize that the jaded view of the two party state being largely ornamental is more true than not. Yet the illusion persists.

Vote Republican in 2016, surely then you'll get a President that respects your civil liberties.

Because.

That's why the USA needs at least 3 or more political parties, but sadly, I don't think we're up for that as a country.  People are too busy watching rubbish like Jersey Shore and Honey Boo Boo.

The platform of the 3rd party will tend to coincide with that of one of the other two parties. It will draw votes away from that party. End result is that the party with the OPPOSITE platform ends up winning despite the fact that the majority of voters do not support their platform. Hence the concept of a "spoiler".

How about having lots of parties? 4, 5, 6, or more. This situation already exists in some countries as we all know. The net result tends to be that no party wins a clear majority, you end up with a "coalition" government, coalitions constantly form and then break down and then rebuild along different lines, and the situation becomes even more political than a 2 party system.

I'd rather just see political parties be abolished altogether and have multiple candidates running with different ideas with them being evaluated on their merits. Of course, this requires people to actually think and make decisions rather than just selecting a party to do their thinking for them, so the odds of that actually happening is fairly low.

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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2013, 06:23:59 AM »
That's why the USA needs at least 3 or more political parties, but sadly, I don't think we're up for that as a country.

More of the same people, but with different badges ? What good would it do ?
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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2013, 11:47:37 AM »
If they aren't monitoring the contents of the call, I don't see it invading privacy per se, but it still crosses a line.

I'm glad I live in Canada and not the US. Sure, we are becoming more and more like it, but at least this crap isn't happening yet.
It's a secret court order that got leaked right? How do you know there are no other secret court order? Do you really think that your privacy aren't invaded just because you live on another country? What do you think will happen if for instance Google got the same secret court order? It doesn't matter anymore whether you live on the Antarctic or on a space station as long as you use an American based services your very own privacy will be jeopardized. And all of this for what? Terrorism? Way to go Osama/Obama!!! He succeeded in clearing the path for a tyrannical super power in the future.
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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2013, 12:59:50 PM »
If they aren't monitoring the contents of the call, I don't see it invading privacy per se, but it still crosses a line.

I'm glad I live in Canada and not the US. Sure, we are becoming more and more like it, but at least this crap isn't happening yet.
It's a secret court order that got leaked right? How do you know there are no other secret court order? Do you really think that your privacy aren't invaded just because you live on another country? What do you think will happen if for instance Google got the same secret court order? It doesn't matter anymore whether you live on the Antarctic or on a space station as long as you use an American based services your very own privacy will be jeopardized. And all of this for what? Terrorism? Way to go Osama/Obama!!! He succeeded in clearing the path for a tyrannical super power in the future.

You clearly haven't been reading the news. This secret Verizon court order isn't the only thing that's been uncovered. The other big thing is Prism, which is a system where the NSA have direct access to the servers of companies like Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, etc, for the purposes of gathering data on all their users. So the privacy of everyone using those services is already being violated.

It is worth noting that all those companies have denied any knowledge of its existence, which is strange, but it's been confirmed to be real by the US government. Apparently the UK government have been using it too ¬_¬

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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2013, 02:12:56 PM »
Meanwhile at 10+ years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2013, 07:51:20 PM »
If they aren't monitoring the contents of the call, I don't see it invading privacy per se, but it still crosses a line.

I'm glad I live in Canada and not the US. Sure, we are becoming more and more like it, but at least this crap isn't happening yet.
It's a secret court order that got leaked right? How do you know there are no other secret court order? Do you really think that your privacy aren't invaded just because you live on another country? What do you think will happen if for instance Google got the same secret court order? It doesn't matter anymore whether you live on the Antarctic or on a space station as long as you use an American based services your very own privacy will be jeopardized. And all of this for what? Terrorism? Way to go Osama/Obama!!! He succeeded in clearing the path for a tyrannical super power in the future.

You clearly haven't been reading the news. This secret Verizon court order isn't the only thing that's been uncovered. The other big thing is Prism, which is a system where the NSA have direct access to the servers of companies like Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, etc, for the purposes of gathering data on all their users. So the privacy of everyone using those services is already being violated.

It is worth noting that all those companies have denied any knowledge of its existence, which is strange, but it's been confirmed to be real by the US government. Apparently the UK government have been using it too ¬_¬
Yeah, I haven't. Just found out about this. Now this is some scary shit, it's 1984 all over again. So do you believe that those companies has no knowledge of this or not? That's the biggest question right now. I mean NSA did this because this is what they do, right? So that's normal but to have a company like Google giving access to their server is pretty scandal. They betrayed their own customer. I wonder what they get in return?
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Re: So much for privacy in America
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2013, 09:37:29 PM »
Sometimes you need more than to speak truth to power. Sometimes you need to replace that power. POliticians like diapers need to be changed often. For much the same reason.

But then, so we replace the politicians, we will still have uninterrupted bureaucracies. So far there are no term limits on being a bureaucrat.
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2013, 02:45:06 AM »
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It is worth noting that all those companies have denied any knowledge of its existence, which is strange, but it's been confirmed to be real by the US government. Apparently the UK government have been using it too ¬_¬

Of course, they're gonna deny it.  They don't want to lose business and are doing damage control, even though anyone with a brain can see they're full of it.