Stats completely out of proportions...

[LastMelody]

Yeah, that wasn't hard actually, sorry for disturbing you guys and thanks for informing/helping me ^_^

[Saikoro]

Hm... this got me curious. xD
So it's possible to have more than one tracker on the same torrent? So, for example i could use the same torrent on say bbt and nyaa simultaneously?
This sounds really odd to me, then again it doesn't sound all that bad either. I never get to seed anything much at baka bt and it feels bad to have a 0.0xx ratio on a torrent. So i could just seed the torrent elsewhere to make myself useful.

[ConsiderPhlebas]

Yes, but never do that with torrents that you have up on ratio trackers. It's a really bad idea. Only do that when you have several public trackers, only public. You may get accused of cheating with statistics otherwise.

You can, however, provided you make sure you have different torrent files with different hashes, seed the same torrent data for several torrents connecting to different trackers.

[Al_Sleeper]

So, for example i could use the same torrent on say bbt and nyaa simultaneously?

It will not work because nyaa torrents are public torrents whereas BakaBT torrents are private torrents.

[Saikoro]

Yes, but never do that with torrents that you have up on ratio trackers.

I don't need to have a good ratio, as i never download any torrents when i'm logged in. ^^'
But i see why it could be a bad idea. If it just downloads and uploads randomly, it will be like with the person who made the thread, completely screwed up.

You can, however, provided you make sure you have different torrent files with different hashes, seed the same torrent data for several torrents connecting to different trackers.

I guess then the two trackers would have to use different torrent files from the beginning. Or can it be modified and still work? *knows almost nothing about torrents*
Kinda embarrassing, seeing as i'm using them all the time.

It will not work because nyaa torrents are public torrents whereas BakaBT torrents are private torrents.

Where is the difference? x__x
The only difference i've noticed so far is that baka bt torrents expire at the end of each month and have to be downloaded again.

[Al_Sleeper]

Public torrents in general have nothing to do with public versions of BakaBT torrents. The latter are in fact just private torrents with a special tracker url.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29#Creating_and_publishing_torrents

[buchno]

If you insist on seeding the same files at different (private) trackers, you can do it by pointing the two torrents to the same location (follow the relocation steps in the wiki), or to simply symlink the files from the first torrent to the second one's folder (which I do).

Although, I don't know if your torrent client will support loading several torrents with the exact same files, or if it will insist on copying the trackers over to the existing one. I know rtorrent has had some issues loading other torrents with files of the same hash, but as far as I'm concerned, they're solved by now.

[megido-rev.M]

Provided the torrents are not identical, they should be able to involve the same files at the same time.

[Freedom Kira]

To be completely sure, it'd be best to have two clients running at once. Some clients don't like it when you try to overlap files in torrents.

I don't need to have a good ratio, as i never download any torrents when i'm logged in. ^^'

Why even bother signing up for an account then?

But i see why it could be a bad idea. If it just downloads and uploads randomly, it will be like with the person who made the thread, completely screwed up.

The actual reason is that you end up seeding to two different swarms. The BakaBT swarm is entirely isolated from the rest of the torrenting world, for a good reason - on any torrent, the total amount downloaded within the swarm should always equal the total amount uploaded, with a small margin for random error. If you start seeding to another swarm (like Nyaa) and report your stats to BakaBT, your numbers will become more and more suspicious over time, and if you leave it going long enough, you could potentially exceed the total amount ever downloaded within BakaBT on that torrent, which would be interpreted as evidence of stat-hacking.

[Fool010]

Why even bother signing up for an account then?

Access to the search function could be a reason

[Freedom Kira]

Why even bother signing up for an account then?

Access to the search function could be a reason

Not if you know how to Google. The Google search parameter for restricting searches to a certain site has existed for years, if not since the creation of Google itself, and the trick has been explained repeatedly on the forums. Hentai is also not exempt.

Seriously, if you don't have any interest in your ratio at all, don't have anything to contribute, don't have any interest in posting comments or forum posts, and don't care who else may be seeding or leeching torrents, you don't need an account. In fact, if all you're going to do is leech on the public tracker and seed on the private tracker, I would tell you explicitly to skip making an account and just be a public user, because otherwise you're just screwing up the global BakaBT ratio.

[Saikoro]

Public torrents in general have nothing to do with public versions of BakaBT torrents. The latter are in fact just private torrents with a special tracker url.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29#Creating_and_publishing_torrents

Uh. Actually, i have not completely understood yet. >__>;
Could you sum it up again in a few words?

To be completely sure, it'd be best to have two clients running at once. Some clients don't like it when you try to overlap files in torrents.

It's not that important... i was just curious if it is easily possible. I'm not seeding THAT much anyway, only when i have utorrent running anyway (like, "Ah, i want to download that file!" and then i just leave it running to seed a bit).

The actual reason is that you end up seeding to two different swarms. The BakaBT swarm is entirely isolated from the rest of the torrenting world, for a good reason - on any torrent, the total amount downloaded within the swarm should always equal the total amount uploaded, with a small margin for random error. If you start seeding to another swarm (like Nyaa) and report your stats to BakaBT, your numbers will become more and more suspicious over time, and if you leave it going long enough, you could potentially exceed the total amount ever downloaded within BakaBT on that torrent, which would be interpreted as evidence of stat-hacking.

Huh? I thought the tracker only knows the amount of data i download/upload using this tracker...
Guess it works differently. xD ...
Damn, i don't get it. Hm... i am active on a torrent and the torrent trackers see "this person is active on this torrent"... ah, but it can't see whether the person i download/upload to is on the same or another tracker?

Why even bother signing up for an account then?

Access to the search function could be a reason

That's a pretty good guess, but it actually isn't the search function. (Yes, google tends to find anything with the right keywords).
It's just that i've been reading comments and downloading torrents on this site ever since its move from boxtorrents to baka bt and sometimes i felt like i wanted to write comments and talk to the others too. So i ended up making an account and i don't regret it so far.
Even if the others just find me annoying, i'm certainly not the only one, so it's okay (right? ).
Had i known how much fun the forum is, i may have come over sooner.

The only thing i really don't like about bbt is that some companies get their material blacklisted, while others don't. It just doesn't feel fair.

In fact, if all you're going to do is leech on the public tracker and seed on the private tracker, I would tell you explicitly to skip making an account and just be a public user, because otherwise you're just screwing up the global BakaBT ratio.

Ah, beautiful numbers.
Of course, i get what you mean, but as you yourself pointed out, the overall ratio of a torrent tracker will always be 1:1. The same amount of data is up- and downloaded. If the ratio says anything like 2:1, you know that for all of the good seeders counted there, there are people who are not counted who leech more than they seed.
I guess that the people aren't registered (or pretend not to be) somehow makes it better... like "all the people you see here give more than they take". But then again, i don't think a community should be something like a hall of fame, but more like a place all kinds of people meet to talk. People with seedboxes, people with pitiful upload speeds or in some other way seeding-impaired... does that really matter that much? Of course seeding is a noble act and should be honored, but without leechers there can't be seeding and a torrent tracker exists to transfer files. xD
So i'm seeing the "seeding fetish" a little critical, though i myself am always proud when looking at my overall utorrent ratio of 2.5 (in spite of baka bt XD). It's just that i know it will always be unbalanced. It's just not likely that every person using torrents gets an exact 1 ratio, on every torrent or globally. Some have more, that means that others have less.
Well... there are people who only leech and then delete the torrent without seeding at all, but stupid people always exist so i don't think it's worth getting worked up about. Who knows, they might just have 10kb/s max upload speed (which i had for most of my life too xD) and thus might feel it's not worth trying.
Sorry for getting off topic, it's just been bothering me somehow.

[Al_Sleeper]

Could you sum it up again in a few words?

Public torrents can connect to all torrents with the same hash all over the net.
Private torrents can connect only to the torrents with the same hash on the same tracker(s).

[Freedom Kira]

Uh. Actually, i have not completely understood yet. >__>;
Could you sum it up again in a few words?

The public tracker is just a special tracker that grants public access to the BakaBT swarm for the current month. The torrent file itself is still private. You can share the torrent with the public tracker on it (the torrent will still be marked private) to outsiders, keeping in mind that it will no longer work after the end of the month.

Huh? I thought the tracker only knows the amount of data i download/upload using this tracker...
Guess it works differently. xD ...
Damn, i don't get it. Hm... i am active on a torrent and the torrent trackers see "this person is active on this torrent"... ah, but it can't see whether the person i download/upload to is on the same or another tracker?

The amount you have seeded/leeched on the torrent, regardless of swarm, is updated to all trackers. BakaBT has a special system in place that isolates its users into a separate swarm. When you add trackers to a torrent, you're circumventing that system. Your client has no idea what's going on, and assumes everything is as it usually is, i.e. peers are just peers regardless of which tracker they're attached to.

The only thing i really don't like about bbt is that some companies get their material blacklisted, while others don't. It just doesn't feel fair.

The blacklist exists because certain companies send in C&D requests. Funimation is infamous for that. The companies that don't bother to do that don't get blacklisted. It's therefore not a question of fairness, but a means to avoid conflict and possible DMCA action.

Ah, beautiful numbers.
Of course, i get what you mean, but as you yourself pointed out, the overall ratio of a torrent tracker will always be 1:1. The same amount of data is up- and downloaded. If the ratio says anything like 2:1, you know that for all of the good seeders counted there, there are people who are not counted who leech more than they seed.
I guess that the people aren't registered (or pretend not to be) somehow makes it better... like "all the people you see here give more than they take". But then again, i don't think a community should be something like a hall of fame, but more like a place all kinds of people meet to talk. People with seedboxes, people with pitiful upload speeds or in some other way seeding-impaired... does that really matter that much? Of course seeding is a noble act and should be honored, but without leechers there can't be seeding and a torrent tracker exists to transfer files. xD
So i'm seeing the "seeding fetish" a little critical, though i myself am always proud when looking at my overall utorrent ratio of 2.5 (in spite of baka bt XD). It's just that i know it will always be unbalanced. It's just not likely that every person using torrents gets an exact 1 ratio, on every torrent or globally. Some have more, that means that others have less.
Well... there are people who only leech and then delete the torrent without seeding at all, but stupid people always exist so i don't think it's worth getting worked up about. Who knows, they might just have 10kb/s max upload speed (which i had for most of my life too xD) and thus might feel it's not worth trying.
Sorry for getting off topic, it's just been bothering me somehow.

No, it's a bit more complicated than that. The global ratio does not cover data seeded/leeched on the public tracker. This means that, when you leech off the public tracker, you're increasing the global ratio because that data you're leeching comes mostly from private seeders, but the leeched amount isn't counting. It also doesn't cover members who have been pruned/deleted, and those members often have much more leeched than seeded. As you may expect, the global ratio is quite large as a result. Only the staff know the current number, but I'd expect it to be in double digits if you drop the decimal. And you thought your stats were "out of proportions."

If you take into account that the global ratio doesn't cover the public tracker, it follows that it affects the global ratio less if you don't seed on the private tracker at all after leeching off the public tracker, and that seeding on the public tracker can reverse your effects on it.

A mod once discussed with me that global ratio is used to make some judgments about how BakaBT is doing as a whole. It skews that judgment and whatever decisions are made based on those judgments when people leech publicly and seed privately. So, yes, it does have adverse effects aside from making your own ratio meaningless. You may not think you affect it much, but there are tons of members that do the same.

On the community, this certainly is a place for people to chat. That doesn't mean you shouldn't uphold certain standards for your ratio, which is an entirely separate issue. Heck, you can have a membership here just to chat on forums and never use your account for torrents. If you never log in to the tracker, your tracker account gets pruned after 11 months, but you can stay on the forums forever.

[Saikoro]

Thanks for explaining private torrents, i think i get it now.

The blacklist exists because certain companies send in C&D requests. Funimation is infamous for that. The companies that don't bother to do that don't get blacklisted. It's therefore not a question of fairness, but a means to avoid conflict and possible DMCA action.

Hm, i already knew that. As a us website of course baka bt has to abide by us laws. Still, someone getting special treatment isn't right, no matter the reasoning.
I know this means that in consequence, all other us-licensed shows would have to be removed too and that would suck.
So... i really don't know, just wish something could be done about it.

As you may expect, the global ratio is quite large as a result. Only the staff know the current number, but I'd expect it to be in double digits if you drop the decimal.

I thought you were referring to this number:

Overall ratio of our pooled peers is 23.073.

Well, that would fit your estimate. xD
But as registered members are encouraged to seed, i don't see this number going down anytime soon.
I also wonder if freeleech is included in that, now that you speak of ways to get your ratio up. *thought of downloading some freeleech torrents to get some activity on my account*

And you thought your stats were "out of proportions."

I never said that, the thread starter did. ^^
But i wonder what my ratio is like, as i already did download one freeleech torrent and also seeded it a bit... wouldn't it have to be "infinite" then?
Quite out of proportions then, imo.

A mod once discussed with me that global ratio is used to make some judgments about how BakaBT is doing as a whole. It skews that judgment and whatever decisions are made based on those judgments when people leech publicly and seed privately. So, yes, it does have adverse effects aside from making your own ratio meaningless. You may not think you affect it much, but there are tons of members that do the same.

Well... as a total noob (look at the questions i asked xD) i've no idea what to do about this "problem". Guess the best thing to do would be to not take those numbers too seriously (like making important decisions only based on such numbers). I mean, the mods probably aren't stupid, so it should be okay.

Heck, you can have a membership here just to chat on forums and never use your account for torrents. If you never log in to the tracker, your tracker account gets pruned after 11 months, but you can stay on the forums forever.

Yeah, i think i've had my account pruned once or twice already. I'd like to prevent that in the future, but not sure if it's worth it. After all, when i remake the account, my comments  and stuff will be back again too, right? *not certain about this*

[Al_Sleeper]

If you have not noticed, BakaBT is NOT a US website .

[buchno]

As you may expect, the global ratio is quite large as a result. Only the staff know the current number, but I'd expect it to be in double digits if you drop the decimal.

I thought you were referring to this number:

Overall ratio of our pooled peers is 23.073.

Well, that would fit your estimate. xD
But as registered members are encouraged to seed, i don't see this number going down anytime soon.
I also wonder if freeleech is included in that, now that you speak of ways to get your ratio up. *thought of downloading some freeleech torrents to get some activity on my account*

Average ratio and global ratio aren't the same thing, assuming that global ratio is the total amount downloaded through the total amount uploaded by all users of the site. They don't equal the same value.
Freeleech is only included in the upload amount.

...and as Al_Sleeper says, BBT has nothing to do with the US :)

Edit: I meant uploaded through downloaded, of course.

[Saikoro]

If you have not noticed, BakaBT is NOT a US website .

I'm not certain how to check that. xD
Anyway, when people said something was licensed they always seemed to refer to the us, so i was certain it must be a us website. ^^'

Average ratio and global ratio aren't the same thing, assuming that global ratio is the total amount downloaded through the total amount uploaded by all users of the site. They don't equal the same value.

How come it isn't the same? q__q
*can't figure it out*
Arr, it's almost like uni here. D:

[Freedom Kira]

But i wonder what my ratio is like, as i already did download one freeleech torrent and also seeded it a bit... wouldn't it have to be "infinite" then?
Quite out of proportions then, imo.

Yes, it would be. If you look at your profile page, you should be seeing an infinite ratio.

Well... as a total noob (look at the questions i asked xD) i've no idea what to do about this "problem". Guess the best thing to do would be to not take those numbers too seriously (like making important decisions only based on such numbers). I mean, the mods probably aren't stupid, so it should be okay.

For starters, don't seed on the private tracker the stuff you downloaded off the public tracker? That's really all I'm saying.

Yeah, i think i've had my account pruned once or twice already. I'd like to prevent that in the future, but not sure if it's worth it. After all, when i remake the account, my comments  and stuff will be back again too, right? *not certain about this*

If I'm not mistaken, your comments will remain when your account is pruned. Your name will just no longer link to your profile. I've seen many comments like that and I assume that's the reason.

I'm not certain how to check that. xD
Anyway, when people said something was licensed they always seemed to refer to the us, so i was certain it must be a us website. ^^'

You notice how the site ends with .me? US websites are mostly .com and .us. Never .me.

And yes, they always do refer to US companies, because only US companies are dicks about copyrights. Seems Japan's been jumping aboard the DMCA bandwagon recently, but it's been slow and not really on the anime side.

[Saikoro]

Yes, it would be. If you look at your profile page, you should be seeing an infinite ratio.

Heh, indeed! This is awesome!
It even has a little smiley next to it.

If I'm not mistaken, your comments will remain when your account is pruned. Your name will just no longer link to your profile. I've seen many comments like that and I assume that's the reason.

Now that you mention it, i remember seeing those kinds of comments too. But most of them were quite old, so i thought it may have been because of the website move and members not coming over or something.
I should seek out an old comment i made and have a look. If i can remember where i posted...

You notice how the site ends with .me? US websites are mostly .com and .us. Never .me.

I don't think the domain name has anything to do with it. Though i live in germany and bought german webspace, i could choose to put almost any kind of domain on it (but they all cost extra, so i stuck with .de XD).

And yes, they always do refer to US companies, because only US companies are dicks about copyrights. Seems Japan's been jumping aboard the DMCA bandwagon recently, but it's been slow and not really on the anime side.

Geez, i see.
It was confusing, because you'd think if the japanese companies who made the anime series could, they would complain first about them being available on the web. So i thought "It's probably because you can't sue them if they're in another country."
If it's just that they don't care, i guess i should really be thankful. XD