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$32 million Crowd Funding for Android/Ubuntu phone
kitamesume:
--- Quote from: Freedom Kira on July 30, 2013, 06:31:07 AM ---And yes, it does look like you're talking shit about something if you're not talking at what it is but what you perceive it to be - ARM, for example, or the specs that you think are outperformed by today's devices.
I think so too, purely from intuition. You get all the trigger-happy people early on, but the longer people wait, the less likely they would end up buying it.
I hope Canonical has something interesting planned for the later days of the campaign, like revealing certain things that they haven't yet, which could kick up the momentum a bit again when they need it.
It'd be pretty cool if some CEOs decide that their companies need that batch of 100 Edges that they have a special for.
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now that you're being thoughtful i don't mind your bashing.
you're missing some facts, they're being vague of which processor they'll use and they're only considering silvermont as of late for a potential choice, but "fastest processor" literally weights which has the highest performance by Q1~Q2 2014(production run).
facts are, silvermont is the only thing intel has that fits the bill for being fastest, but thats only with today's competition.
silvermont's baytrail-T target is A15 claiming 30% faster than it is, but in a sense theres a pending ARM processor at which has 26%~36% roughly more processing power than A15, which is A57.
theres no announcement of a latter development in intel's case, they haven't even released silvermont yet, so the likelihood of having intel being "fastest processor" is doubtful at best.
handset processor isn't baytrail-T but merrifield which is a dualcore silvermont with an even slower clock, its possible that they'd fit a baytrail-T quadcore in their handset but you're looking at much higher consequences.
weight these facts and you end up with higher odds for ARM developing the fastest by Q2 2014, unless intel does manage to follow up something at least 20% more powerful and 20% more power efficient (pushing perf:watt up so it can match ARM performance while pushing TDP down even lower).
i'm not entirely saying its junk but for the price it is inferior, the massive storage and larger ram does constitute to being superior, but on everything else its either the same or inferior.
current paper specs weights it as being inferior all together, camera is inferior, screen is inferior, connectivity is inferior(not exactly, its possible that they aren't being specific).
consider these at the price of $830 or even $700, i don't see it being a better purchase?
i think they've made the mistake of having it at a rough start, they only opened the lower-price plans a bit too late and too little slot, they managed to pull in hesitant buyers but they aren't pulling in anything else.
if you look at the current pledge count theres hardly anything on the upper prices, which means they're selfdestructing on their decision.
in either case they need to settle their estimates, otherwise they can't justify the $830 pricetag, even $700 is asking for too much.
Saras:
They haven't chosen the CPU, because they don't know what'll come by then and what prices it'll be by then. They have a budget set, and they'll choose whatever they can get for it. Same for other parts. You can't plan all of them out, when the phone won't be produced in this year. The phone market is too fickle for that.
Also, I must've missed something. But why are you certain that it's running an x86 platform?
--- Quote from: Freedom Kira on July 30, 2013, 06:31:07 AM ---
--- Quote from: Saras on July 30, 2013, 01:50:09 AM ---And what concerns crowd funding, it's very unlikely to get financed. You basically need to get two thirds of the sum in the first 10 days, if you want it to succeed. As the rate of money betting tends to slow down over the time of the funding. With the last the ~18-28th day bringing little in. But I suppose, this could be a unique case, in it requiring a high premium for the bid. Making people far more cautious and thus extending the funding process down the line. But I wouldn't bet on it.
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I think so too, purely from intuition. You get all the trigger-happy people early on, but the longer people wait, the less likely they would end up buying it.
I hope Canonical has something interesting planned for the later days of the campaign, like revealing certain things that they haven't yet, which could kick up the momentum a bit again when they need it.
It'd be pretty cool if some CEOs decide that their companies need that batch of 100 Edges that they have a special for.
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Except there's one problem with that. It's cheaper to get 100 single devices, as it is now. Than getting a batch. As one phone costs 700$ for two now, and 600$/pop if you acted fast. Yet they intend to sell a batch at 800$/pop. Yes, I know that they offer special services, but that's still ridiculous. Make it 60 000$ for 100 devices. Then you'll have a customer. Enterprises don't outfit their employees at retail prices. They do so at whole sale prices. And if you can't offer them that, well then, they ain't interested.
kitamesume:
--- Quote from: Saras on July 30, 2013, 08:22:14 AM ---They haven't chosen the CPU, because they don't know what'll come by then and what prices it'll be by then. They have a budget set, and they'll choose whatever they can get for it. Same for other parts. You can't plan all of them out, when the phone won't be produced in this year. The phone market is too fickle for that.
Also, I must've missed something. But why are you certain that it's running an x86 platform?
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wait what? i'm not the one saying its gonna be on x86 platform, i'm even leaning to ARM being the processor of choice.
the only thing that has an alternate to ARM at the moment is intel's atom, theres no leads to a successor by Q2 2014 (which they always do announce roadmaps in advance).
on the other hand theres AMD, but they're in a sticky situation about their TDP levels, they can fit in a tablet but the TDP portfolio for handsets is too small for them to manage.
edit: speaking of which, the successor ARM processor does outperform silvermont in both performance(slightly) and power consumption(greatly, due to how ARM is configured).
edit2: atom medfield(current gen atom) - http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-Launches-2-GHz-Atom-Medfield-with-Disastrous-Performance-293186.shtml
Saras:
Yes, then why the fuck are you talking about it? And why does it matter?
If they intend to run an x86 platform, for the desktop software compability, it's going to be an x86 chip. No questions, no comparisons. It's the only option. It won't matter that it's not yet on par with next gen ARM. Because its the only fucking option. And it's going to be chosen because of the software requirements and not the capabilities.
If they run an ARM system, the comparison won't matter either. We can discuss which ARM would be likely, but that's it. There is no reason to compare intel atoms performance whatsofucking ever.
kitamesume:
--- Quote from: Saras on July 30, 2013, 09:38:41 AM ---Yes, then why the fuck are you talking about it? And why does it matter?
If they intend to run an x86 platform, for the desktop software compability, it's going to be an x86 chip. No questions, no comparisons. It's the only option. It won't matter that it's not yet on par with next gen android. Because its the only fucking option. And it's going to be chosen because of the software and not the capabilities.
If they run an ARM system, the comparison won't matter either. We can discuss which ARM would be likely, but that's it. There is no reason to compare intel atoms performance whatsofucking ever.
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thats not the case here, ubuntu can run on either platform, which means ARM is an option. on the other hand the only way to weight which processor has the advantage is through comparison of performance and practicality.
in which case i'm just merely replying about kira's question of why i'm thinking of ARM as a candidate.
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