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$32 million Crowd Funding for Android/Ubuntu phone
Freedom Kira:
--- Quote from: sawakosadako on July 30, 2013, 04:08:24 PM ---http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/2284272/canonicals-crowdfunding-of-ubuntu-edge-stretches-credibility-to-the-breaking-point
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That article brings up an interesting point about the 4GB RAM thing - the processor kinda has to either have PAE on x86 or be x64 altogether. I hadn't thought about that.
--- Quote from: kitamesume on August 01, 2013, 12:23:42 AM ---i wonder what they meant by "optimized for photo-realistic colors and contrast" when the best IPS and AMOLED of such is already present in current handsets, not to mention full HD @ 4.7" or 5.0"
or are they telling us theres such a magical screen hidden somewhere in the market?
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I really wish you'd watch the video posted since day 1 or read the entire page at IndieGoGo before you open your mouth. Shuttleworth may be vague about a lot of things, but I think he makes his reasoning pretty damn clear about the screen and display and why they are the way they are.
kitamesume:
--- Quote from: Freedom Kira on August 01, 2013, 07:24:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: kitamesume on August 01, 2013, 12:23:42 AM ---i wonder what they meant by "optimized for photo-realistic colors and contrast" when the best IPS and AMOLED of such is already present in current handsets, not to mention full HD @ 4.7" or 5.0"
or are they telling us theres such a magical screen hidden somewhere in the market?
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I really wish you'd watch the video posted since day 1 or read the entire page at IndieGoGo before you open your mouth. Shuttleworth may be vague about a lot of things, but I think he makes his reasoning pretty damn clear about the screen and display and why they are the way they are.
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i did, but i didn't hear anything about how they'll chase "optimized for photo-realistic colors and contrast" anywhere in the video in a sense that they'll end up being better than competition?
2:20~3:10 did mention about the screen, but thats what current competition is providing already.
so what are you getting into?
edit: no really, have you ever seen any panels thats better than a (calibrated or not) IPS or AMOLED?
edit: someone updated silvermont in wikipedia, Baytrail-T is back as a possiblity again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvermont_%28microarchitecture%29
although by laws of physics 2W SDP won't allow 2.4Ghz :P
if you look at N2805, it has 4.5W TDP @ 1.46Ghz
edit: now that i think about it, how do they sink the phone's CPU? do they all leave it bare or are some phone designs have some sort of heatsink that connects to the backcover?
mgz:
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--- Quote from: zherok on July 31, 2013, 01:22:47 AM ---Pace seems to have slowed down pretty considerably. $32M just seems completely outta the question at this stage for crowd-funding.
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yea pretty much what i expected its now down to a crawl. 32m isnt outta the question for crowd sourcing it is out of the question for a project like this however
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I think they could hit if it they changed there pricing tiers up. ouya hit 8mill because at 99$ it was not a big deal if it never came through. If they had more 725$ options I think it would pick back up again
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yea even that wouldnt really help that much i dont think, cuz if your willing to pay 725 its only 105 more, at that rate if you want it you are buying it. They probably need a portion of them at 830 to actually make a little money
sawakosadako:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on August 01, 2013, 12:23:42 AM ---baytrail is only limited to 2.1Ghz, not to mention TDP @ 2.1Ghz is 8watts.
theres particularly no chance of baytrail @ 2.4Ghz to occur, nor will one fit inside a phone.
but on the other hand, ARM A57 does scale upwards to 3Ghz, so its possible for it to be as such, their target TDP at 3Ghz is 4watts so thats plausible at 2.4Ghz.
i suggest taking that image with a grain of salt.
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i wonder what they meant by "optimized for photo-realistic colors and contrast" when the best IPS and AMOLED of such is already present in current handsets, not to mention full HD @ 4.7" or 5.0"
or are they telling us theres such a magical screen hidden somewhere in the market?
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Any chance for overclocking the processors? There's some talk on AMA about making the processors overclocked when docked. You could design the dock to disperse the heat and besides the power issue isn't a problem anymore since it's docked and there could be external power to overcome the battery usage.
You know what I think that could make this campaign moving again. The corporate backers, should take all the 100 bundles. That should give a message that there's companies behind Ubuntu Touch to make it a success.
kitamesume:
overclocking isn't usually possible with such chips, its already proven with current line sandybridge, ivybridge and haswell locked chips.
although in another case theres an update with silvermont baytrail, unconfirmed so take it with a grain of salt, since usually theres some trolls which puts values in the blank slates without basis.
--- Quote from: kitamesume on August 01, 2013, 07:45:04 AM ---edit: someone updated silvermont in wikipedia, Baytrail-T is back as a possiblity again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvermont_%28microarchitecture%29
although by laws of physics 2W SDP won't allow 2.4Ghz :P
if you look at N2805, it has 4.5W TDP @ 1.46Ghz
edit: now that i think about it, how do they sink the phone's CPU? do they all leave it bare or are some phone designs have some sort of heatsink that connects to the backcover?
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theres some discrepancy i see on this one at the moment is it's vague max turbo clock, if you'd look the other baytrail lines above you'd conclude that 2.4Ghz isn't possible at under 8watts.
SDP @ 2watts could mean it'll run at 800Mhz, which is typical as well, but not much more.
the problem now is the missing TDP values, even if we estimate it being 8watts @ 2.4Ghz you'd end up melting solder-joins with sheer heat dissipation, considering passive 8watt-atom needed massive heatsinks to keep themselves running below 80c.
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