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kitamesume:

--- Quote from: Freedom Kira on July 29, 2013, 07:04:45 AM ---I don't get your obsession with ARM. Nowhere is it mentioned that the phone will use an ARM processor.

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what else is there to be used? handset-atom which isn't any faster than ARM? unless they manage to fit an i7 in there somehow?

do realize that theres nothing else on the table but a half-baked atom and a half-matured ARM.
only when silvermont finally gets released will there be something else.
even the current gen atom being used for handsets barely even compete with mid-tier ARM, the octa big.LITTLE ARM is leagues above it.
thats why theres so much hype on "slivermont baytrail", being 3x faster than current gen atom only being 30% faster than current ARM competition.

if you do it in math, if silvermont baytrail is 3x faster than current gen atom, and only 30% faster than current gen ARM, it means to say that current gen atom is only 43% of current gen ARM.
(43% x 3 = 130%)

edit: oh and for the record, even if they do fit in a baytrail-T in there its still slower than N2800, aka atom netbook.
but the sad part is that, baytrail-T's tdp is too large for a handset, merrifield(silvermont) will be the ones to be used for handsets, which is even more slower.

--- Quote ---What remains to be seen, however, is how Silvermont performs in a smaller power envelope — namely, smartphones. Will Merrifield, which is a dual-core part that will probably be clocked slower than Bay Trail, be able to keep up with the latest SoCs from Qualcomm, Samsung, and Apple? I don’t think anyone doubts Intel’s potency when it comes to raw performance, but on the matter of performance-per-watt, the jury’s still very much out.
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edit2: don't get me wrong, the lack of performance barely affects anything for "handset" purpose, but as a desktop? are you willing to go back using pentiumII performance? like for $800, seriously?

sawakosadako:
I guess we're gonna have to see about it. But most likely we'll never know about it. Considering it's still stuck at 7 million at this moment.

kitamesume:
the fact that they're still stuck up at $600~$830 makes me wonder why they're even trying, if they wanted to succeed they could've aimed for $500~$600 where undercutting competition always gives good results.

i dunno if they really suck at marketing and economics, while abusing these sites for funds, or just plain retarded.

in either case, whom ever wanted to try out an ubuntu platform are better off buying a $400 handset and rooting unbuntu in it, or better yet a hybrid tablet with a beefy specs(11" full HD + celeron to i5) which usually are priced at $800.

Saras:

--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 26, 2013, 12:20:03 PM ---yeah, baytrail-T
theres a few tiers of baytrail. baytrail-T (tablet), baytrail-M (notebook), and baytrail-D (desktop).
the atom silvermont of phones though is merrifield, in due date till 2014.

as for baytrail vs arm - http://www.extremetech.com/computing/160320-intel-bay-trail-benchmark-appears-online-crushes-fastest-snapdragon-arm-soc-by-30

PS: Silvermont is the architecture name, baytrail is like a code name similar to i3, i5, i7.


--- Quote from: Bob2004 on July 26, 2013, 12:09:01 PM ---Whether or not it's worth the price, I can't say. I don't think anyone can until the final specs are confirmed and we've actually seen it in action. But a large part of the draw is the one-off limited edition nature of it, so being slightly more expensive than an equivalent Samsung, HTC, etc is to be expected.

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twice as expensive to be exact, for it's worth in comparison to flagship phones. lets not talk about nexus phones as everything looks stupidly expensive when anything is compared to it.

i dunno why they're trying to charge such a premium though(more than 60% profit, really now).
they don't even need that much R&D for ubuntu OS since everything is practically done already, nor do they need to develop hardware from scratch since all they need is to assemble them.
my guess is that they're abusing the project to jumpstart their production line without investing themselves.

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FYI, the same features and costs don't apply to everyone. There's no way canonical could get any of the hardware at price points even reaching close to that of google or samsung. And even more so because they put a hard limit on the 40 000 run. You couldn't build me a Nexus 4 if I gave you 2 grand to do it and a part list.

2nd. R&D is required, even if you don't make the hardware.

3rd. It's not done already, nothing is anymore. If it were, we'd be stuck with Android 1.6, Ubuntu OS will require tweaking for decades to come.

kitamesume:
thats why i'm saying "at it is, its not worth the price" get it?

the raw paper specs for it, even with a 40K unit run its still expensive at $830 a pop, hitting $32M for like what? even if the overall cost per unit to produce is higher due to finite batches its still expensive.
who in their right mind would buy an inferior product for almost twice it's price? well i guess apple and alienware buyers would but thats because they fancy the brand.
usually ubuntu users would be knowledgeable enough to root any phone to run ubuntu, why bother buying a pre-made one? you're taking the fun out of what ubuntu was made for.

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