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$32 million Crowd Funding for Android/Ubuntu phone
kitamesume:
oh so im a douche now, kay.
you guys only assume that, because instead of correcting stuffs you guys end up dissing it, it would be correct to view it with the douche being the other way around.
edit: stay neutral, its one way to keep a flame from becoming an inferno.
Saras:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 29, 2013, 11:27:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: Saras on July 29, 2013, 11:09:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 29, 2013, 10:49:49 AM ---thats why i'm saying "at it is, its not worth the price" get it?
the raw paper specs for it, even with a 40K unit run its still expensive at $830 a pop, hitting $32M for like what? even if the overall cost per unit to produce is higher due to finite batches its still expensive.
who in their right mind would buy an inferior product for almost twice it's price? well i guess apple and alienware buyers would but thats because they fancy the brand.
usually ubuntu users would be knowledgeable enough to root any phone to run ubuntu, why bother buying a pre-made one? you're taking the fun out of what ubuntu was made for.
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Uh, no. Ubuntu is the "easy to use linux".
It's certainly not developed with hardware hackers and the like in mind. It's developed to be understood by the average person.
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i thought that was mint but ok.
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Mint is a flavour of Ubuntu. The differences are fairly minor in practice and major in philosophy. Ubuntu believes in a "free" or just an open source OS, with giving you the option of running third party closed software only if you specifically desire it to. Mint is Ubuntu + closed software and the like out of the box. That's it.
And with my previous comment, I was denying, that they were getting a 60% profit margin cut, that you were implying based on googles hardware estimates. They aren't going to get anywhere near to that much profit.
And what concerns crowd funding, it's very unlikely to get financed. You basically need to get two thirds of the sum in the first 10 days, if you want it to succeed. As the rate of money betting tends to slow down over the time of the funding. With the last the ~18-28th day bringing little in. But I suppose, this could be a unique case, in it requiring a high premium for the bid. Making people far more cautious and thus extending the funding process down the line. But I wouldn't bet on it.
halfelite:
They need to open back up the 725$ pledge and it would move again. I would put down 650/725$ but anything over that is to much. around the 600/700 they are still around a lot of the unlocked phone prices. The device principal has appeal,
kitamesume:
--- Quote from: Saras on July 30, 2013, 01:50:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 29, 2013, 11:27:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: Saras on July 29, 2013, 11:09:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 29, 2013, 10:49:49 AM ---thats why i'm saying "at it is, its not worth the price" get it?
the raw paper specs for it, even with a 40K unit run its still expensive at $830 a pop, hitting $32M for like what? even if the overall cost per unit to produce is higher due to finite batches its still expensive.
who in their right mind would buy an inferior product for almost twice it's price? well i guess apple and alienware buyers would but thats because they fancy the brand.
usually ubuntu users would be knowledgeable enough to root any phone to run ubuntu, why bother buying a pre-made one? you're taking the fun out of what ubuntu was made for.
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Uh, no. Ubuntu is the "easy to use linux".
It's certainly not developed with hardware hackers and the like in mind. It's developed to be understood by the average person.
--- End quote ---
i thought that was mint but ok.
--- End quote ---
Mint is a flavour of Ubuntu. The differences are fairly minor in practice and major in philosophy. Ubuntu believes in a "free" or just an open source OS, with giving you the option of running third party closed software only if you specifically desire it to. Mint is Ubuntu + closed software and the like out of the box. That's it.
And with my previous comment, I was denying, that they were getting a 60% profit margin cut, that you were implying based on googles hardware estimates. They aren't going to get anywhere near to that much profit.
And what concerns crowd funding, it's very unlikely to get financed. You basically need to get two thirds of the sum in the first 10 days, if you want it to succeed. As the rate of money betting tends to slow down over the time of the funding. With the last the ~18-28th day bringing little in. But I suppose, this could be a unique case, in it requiring a high premium for the bid. Making people far more cautious and thus extending the funding process down the line. But I wouldn't bet on it.
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well true, but Mint does have a friendlier approach, or maybe the gui is just much closer to windows.
http://lifehacker.com/5993297/ubuntu-vs-mint-which-linux-distro-is-better-for-beginners
(click to show/hide)
--- Quote ---At first, the majority of my "test subjects" found Mint much easier to use. Finding their home folder was easy because it was right there on the desktop, while Ubuntu's dock made it a bit more difficult to figure out where their file manager was. Mint's menus were easy to use, so they could browse by category and find apps they had never heard of before (and guess their purpose). They found Ubuntu's Dash very confusing, since using the search bar wasn't their first instinct (and since they didn't always know what they were looking for). Ubuntu won when it came to installing new apps, though: everyone found the Software Center very easy to find and use, while most couldn't even figure out where to go in Mint.
However, while they found everything in Mint much quicker, about half of them said that they liked Ubuntu better when the experiment was over. Some of it was less intuitive, but once they realized how easy it was to search the Dash or add new items to their dock, they said they'd be more likely to install Ubuntu than Mint. This didn't apply to everyone, but it did surprise me that many liked Ubuntu's Dash once they learned how it was supposed to work.
Of those polled, the tech savvier users liked Mint better, while the less tech savvy users were more split, leaning toward Ubuntu once they learned the tricks of the trade.
Tech-Savvy Beginners: Go With Mint
If you're a tech head looking to try out Linux for the first time, I highly recommend Mint. It has a lot more room for customization than Ubuntu, so even if there are things you don't love about the interface, you can change them. Mint has also become very popular, so it has a forum full of users to help you take your first steps in learning all about Linux.
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well, i wasn't explicitly saying its pure profit, rather after deducting parts cost you can see around 60% of the price goes to somewhere.
that hypothesis is either they're trying to build a factory from scratch which makes sense, or the funds goes to somewhere else, most likely the former.
it would've been possible to have some other manufacturer to batch manufacture the phones, it would've cut cost even more but with that much price tag i doubt they're planning like this.
the price-tag cap of $830 is certainly scaring potential buyers, because that price range is not a phone's domain, certainly not.
Freedom Kira:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 30, 2013, 01:17:52 AM ---oh so im a douche now, kay.
you guys only assume that, because instead of correcting stuffs you guys end up dissing it, it would be correct to view it with the douche being the other way around.
edit: stay neutral, its one way to keep a flame from becoming an inferno.
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No, it's not douchy. You sure have a way of twisting words and putting words into others' mouths, so to speak. Talking shit about things you don't understand is simply annoying and makes you one heck of a headache to talk to. And yes, it does look like you're talking shit about something if you're not talking at what it is but what you perceive it to be - ARM, for example, or the specs that you think are outperformed by today's devices. Stay neutral, indeed - if you're going to argue a stance, argue what's been presented, not what you think has been presented.
--- Quote from: Bob2004 on July 29, 2013, 10:30:39 PM ---Yeah, if it doesn't slow down too much mid-campaign, it could well make it. It's already doing way better than most IndieGoGo campaigns - in my experience they do tend to attract notably less interest than Kickstarter, since it's a less popular site. Getting this much money though it is already an amazing feat in and of itself.
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I'm kinda curious as to why they didn't use Kickstarter instead of IndieGoGo. They ought to be able to pick up more momentum on the former.
--- Quote from: Saras on July 30, 2013, 01:50:09 AM ---And what concerns crowd funding, it's very unlikely to get financed. You basically need to get two thirds of the sum in the first 10 days, if you want it to succeed. As the rate of money betting tends to slow down over the time of the funding. With the last the ~18-28th day bringing little in. But I suppose, this could be a unique case, in it requiring a high premium for the bid. Making people far more cautious and thus extending the funding process down the line. But I wouldn't bet on it.
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I think so too, purely from intuition. You get all the trigger-happy people early on, but the longer people wait, the less likely they would end up buying it.
I hope Canonical has something interesting planned for the later days of the campaign, like revealing certain things that they haven't yet, which could kick up the momentum a bit again when they need it.
It'd be pretty cool if some CEOs decide that their companies need that batch of 100 Edges that they have a special for.
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