Haswell: Behemoth Build | Tatsu's Room [2.22.2014]

[vuzedome]

Yeah if it's a high pitch whine it will definitely be far more annoying.

Well Tatsu, you have what you need to decide. It's a fact that the H100i performs exceptionally well.
If looks is what you're going for, we can't stop you there.

I think the current top for Noctua would be the D14.

[Tatsujin]

The fans on the D14 seem to be slower than usual, any fan recommendations to install? The front one is the 120mm and the back one is 140mm?

[Gh0st93]

CPU Air Cooler Roundup: Six Coolers from Noctua, SilverStone, be quiet!, and Cooler Master

[Tiffanys]

The fans on the D14 seem to be slower than usual, any fan recommendations to install? The front one is the 120mm and the back one is 140mm?

You don't replace Noctua fans. In fact, a lot of people buy Noctua fans. They're made to be slower than normal but provide as much airflow and cooling. They're made like that for quietness.

[kitamesume]

yeah Noctuas are the quietest for that sort of airflow, anything better is bound to be noisier.

if you wanted a slightly better fans with a low noise floor, noise blocker fans or scythe GT1850 works.

CPU Air Cooler Roundup: Six Coolers from Noctua, SilverStone, be quiet!, and Cooler Master

based on what you linked he'd rather have kraken X60.
even kraken X40 looks tempting, it performs the same and is $30 cheaper? o.o

[vuzedome]

Wow that review will definitely be biased towards closed loop coolers.
The intake circulation is bad.

[kitamesume]

Wow that review will definitely be biased towards closed loop coolers.
The intake circulation is bad.

yep, most reviews i've seen with D14 performing over 7c hotter were bad box tests.
typically D14 shouldn't be worse by 4~7c.

edit: like this for example
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6830/cpu-air-cooler-roundup-six-coolers-from-noctua-silverstone-and-cooler-master/5

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in this test X40 had a 8c lead over D14.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/water2.0-extreme-kraken-x40-hydro-h90-elc120,3434-13.html

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while on this one X40 only had a 5c lead.

case layout and fan configuration does affect temps by a huge margin, i've had a 8c drop on my GPU just by swapping the front intake for a better one imho.
mixing different fans does make things more interesting, a few of certain combinations had better effects than some configuration, it isn't limited to temps but noise as well.

[Gh0st93]

Honestly the most important thing to keep in mind is this they all test differently some use open test benches others use cases, So just because X beats the other one by 4C or 7c on some sites you can't just look at the result you have to view there testing methodology and set up, Also another huge factor is ambient temp. So Tatsujin would need to take temps in his room and what kind of airflow the case will get. Because if the air cooler will be starving to get air then it will perform worse the AIO So just because one test says this or that doesn't mean he will reap those benefits. So to have a better grasp on the situation Tatsujin needs to post the temp. of his room.


Also here is a pretty good article : Liquid cooling vs. traditional cooling: What you need to know

[vuzedome]

Look we all know the different needs when it comes to choosing your cooling options.
I'm just pointing out the irony of how inconsistent these tests can be.

[kitamesume]

asking if tatsu would OC his processor sounds better no? if i remember correctly tatsu isn't gonna be overclocking.

because if he doesn't then either D14(due to it's price and silentness) or Kraken X40 in silent-mode(again price and silentness, also performance wooper) should be a more tempting choice, i'm betting on the kraken.

[Gh0st93]

Look we all know the different needs when it comes to choosing your cooling options.
I'm just pointing out the irony of how inconsistent these tests can be.

That also goes to what I was saying some of these reviews are done on test benches while others are in actual cases giving more real world results. ( this is more aimed at Tatsujin but can apply to anyone) A great source of info can come from Linus techtips and NIX techtips, over on youtube and they both have forums as well.

Linus Tech Tips

NCIXcom's channel

[kitamesume]

mounting closed-liquid in front as intake has the highest cooling result, at the expense of elevating the other component's temps.
its because with that setup the rads would have the coldest possible feed on top of the exhaust being channeled away from the intake.

the advantage of closed-liquid has over standard air cooling is it's easy positioning, you can place it anywhere you want but for the best result have it in a top mount or front mount position.
the problematic part of it though is that it needs a good mounting position, cases with bad vents aren't a good candidate for closed-liquid.

[Tiffanys]

I think a better question is probably whether his RAM, since he chose some that are kinda high profile, will actually fit with a large cooler.

[Gh0st93]

The NH-D14 will fit the G.skill ripjaws x, But the biggest problem with it and all large coolers like it is that to do almost anything you have to remove it to get full access to everything.

[Tatsujin]

asking if tatsu would OC his processor sounds better no? if i remember correctly tatsu isn't gonna be overclocking.

because if he doesn't then either D14(due to it's price and silentness) or Kraken X40 in silent-mode(again price and silentness, also performance wooper) should be a more tempting choice, i'm betting on the kraken.

I'm not thinking of overclocking, yet. I want to get the system running first with minimum parts, then all the parts excluding the GPU's, then install the GPU's afterwards. Then I'll do more research on overclocking the CPU. I may or may not overclock it.

I think a better question is probably whether his RAM, since he chose some that are kinda high profile, will actually fit with a large cooler.

The RAM will fit with the D14, it's a low-profile RAM.

The D14 isn't a pain in the ass to install, is it? Plus you can remove the fans easily or adjust them upwards or downwards.

[Tiffanys]

Your RAM has huge things sticking up... I dunno if I'd call that low profile.

[Gh0st93]

asking if tatsu would OC his processor sounds better no? if i remember correctly tatsu isn't gonna be overclocking.

because if he doesn't then either D14(due to it's price and silentness) or Kraken X40 in silent-mode(again price and silentness, also performance wooper) should be a more tempting choice, i'm betting on the kraken.

I'm not thinking of overclocking, yet. I want to get the system running first with minimum parts, then all the parts excluding the GPU's, then install the GPU's afterwards. Then I'll do more research on overclocking the CPU. I may or may not overclock it.

I think a better question is probably whether his RAM, since he chose some that are kinda high profile, will actually fit with a large cooler.

The RAM will fit with the D14, it's a low-profile RAM.

The D14 isn't a pain in the ass to install, is it? Plus you can remove the fans easily or adjust them upwards or downwards.

Depending on the case (how big of a mother board install cut out you have) Will determine if you have to install it with the MB in the case or not I think most large air coolers are cumber some and difficult to work with to varying degrees, And if you want fans on the mesh side the could be possible clearance issues (not 100% sure) You could really run into lots of problem with them I personally run a 212+ and have a lot of difficulty doing things with out either moving the fan or just taking it off as a whole. (i.e. removing or adding HDs or messing with ram and dealing with cables.)


Edit : No his ram is not low profile but it will fit via noctua's compatibility charts and a slew of builds.

[kitamesume]

i haven't heard of anyone complaining about installing D14, so i guess it isn't that hard.
the only thing is that you'll have to install it last to make sure everything else is already attached.

about the ram clearance, D14 has a good one, so long as you don't use ridiculously tall ram-sinks though.


edit: i wonder why they don't revamp the way ram is mounted, going with how sodimm mounts should mitigate any clearance issue for example.

[Tiffanys]

I use computer towers that are upright so I dunno... If I used a D14 I'd be a little worried of the constant stress hanging down on the motherboard since it's not sitting upright.

[Gh0st93]

Pretty much all the air cooler that gives these "miracle numbers" Put heavy strain on the mobo and if it gets knocked around or kicked or anything you run the risk of snapping the mobo. Which in turn could do a LOT of damage Especially if you pair it with a heavy GPU then it falls on it snapping the pci connection, etc. It could even damage the ram.