Haswell: Behemoth Build | Tatsu's Room [2.22.2014]

[Tatsujin]

What exactly are you doing that you need the two SSD's for instead of one?

Main SSD for the OS and small programs. Other SSD for heavy computing programs like PhotoShop, MeGUI, and gaming.

[Gh0st93]

Honestly just get a 840 pro and forget the rest.... It really looks like something like that would just kill the drive a lot faster anyways, Also yes the evo has thew turbo write but that should be coming to the 840 pro also.

USB 3.0. I won't be paging what-so-ever with 32GB of RAM, too.

Could you see performance gains? Yes It's none. Honestly all it is, is a way to complicate things and it seems quite frankly unnecessary and a waste of time and money. You have 32GB of ram Readyboost helps if you have 512mb or 1gb of ram.....

[vuzedome]

What exactly are you doing that you need the two SSD's for instead of one?

Main SSD for the OS and small programs. Other SSD for heavy computing programs like PhotoShop, MeGUI, and gaming.

As if one isn't fast enough. You guys are all so swell, helping to drive down the prices of WD blacks. It's like 75USD for 1TB here and 4TB at 250USD or so.

[kitamesume]

splitting the SSD to two does have it's merits, higher total I/O throughput since they can operate simultaneously, better write leveling, and better $/capacity pricepoints(256GB still has the sweet spot).

[Tatsujin]

Honestly just get a 840 pro and forget the rest.... It really looks like something like that would just kill the drive a lot faster anyways, Also yes the evo has thew turbo write but that should be coming to the 840 pro also.

USB 3.0. I won't be paging what-so-ever with 32GB of RAM, too.

Could you see performance gains? Yes It's none. Honestly all it is, is a way to complicate things and it seems quite frankly unnecessary and a waste of time and money. You have 32GB of ram Readyboost helps if you have 512mb or 1gb of ram.....

You can think of it anyway you like. This was the initial plan from the beginning. It helps and I'll have a lot of storage to play around with.

My set up is like the one I mentioned above. It's much, much better than cramming up everything on a single driver.

What exactly are you doing that you need the two SSD's for instead of one?

Main SSD for the OS and small programs. Other SSD for heavy computing programs like PhotoShop, MeGUI, and gaming.

As if one isn't fast enough. You guys are all so swell, helping to drive down the prices of WD blacks. It's like 75USD for 1TB here and 4TB at 250USD or so.

The more the better! But at this point, only 2 SSDs and I want to get a second 4TB WD Black.

splitting the SSD to two does have it's merits, higher total I/O throughput since they can operate simultaneously, better write leveling, and better $/capacity pricepoints(256GB still has the sweet spot).

I don't want to split the SSDs.

[Saras]

splitting the SSD to two does have it's merits, higher total I/O throughput since they can operate simultaneously, better write leveling, and better $/capacity pricepoints(256GB still has the sweet spot).

No. The best $/capacity are the terabyte either EVO or M500 drives.

[kitamesume]

indeed they are, but i was talking about 500GB total space, two 256GB still has a slightly better $/GB than 512GB SSDs.
nvm, actually they hardly have a difference now if its cheapest vs cheapest o.o
but wow what happened to the 256GB SSDs, previously they were around $0.7/GB now they're at $0.8/GB

splitting the SSD to two does have it's merits, higher total I/O throughput since they can operate simultaneously, better write leveling, and better $/capacity pricepoints(256GB still has the sweet spot).

I don't want to split the SSDs.

think of it as having two SSDs instead of one.

[Gh0st93]

Honestly just get a 840 pro and forget the rest.... It really looks like something like that would just kill the drive a lot faster anyways, Also yes the evo has thew turbo write but that should be coming to the 840 pro also.

USB 3.0. I won't be paging what-so-ever with 32GB of RAM, too.

Could you see performance gains? Yes It's none. Honestly all it is, is a way to complicate things and it seems quite frankly unnecessary and a waste of time and money. You have 32GB of ram Readyboost helps if you have 512mb or 1gb of ram.....

You can think of it anyway you like. This was the initial plan from the beginning. It helps and I'll have a lot of storage to play around with.

My set up is like the one I mentioned above. It's much, much better than cramming up everything on a single driver.

You will see no performance boosts from it, it was a program made as a bandaid back for vista when machines had 512mb or 1GB of ram max. Everything will run on your computer at a break neck pace without readyboost, You literally get nothing good from this it actually might slow speeds down.

[kitamesume]

whats with the talk about readyboost?

pagefile is still a necessity for the OS, even knowledgeable people don't recommend disabling pagefile even with over 16GB of ram.
edit: ohh and not to mention crashdump uses pagefile, without it the crashdump would cause an error.


edit: speaking of SSDs, i know they recommend that you to disable superfetch but do not disable superfetch.

yes i know its redundant but it acts as a higher level cache, why else do you think intel has L1, L2 and L3 caches? why not just slap a larger L3 cache and omit the L1 and L2 caches?

[Saras]

A lot of page file isn't needed. But some is. Just get some 500 megs. I think I have less than a gig too. What you don't need to do is to follow the system default of getting the same amount of pagefile that you have ram.

[kitamesume]

actually thats required, since crashdump uses pagefile, if you were to limit it too much it may cause more issues than what the tweak would contribute.
i suggest having a range bracket of 300MB~ram-size, and let the system increase it as needed, eitherway windows7 already manages paging well enough by itself.

[Tatsujin]

Would page filing be a good choice for SSDs or a performance HDD like WD Black?

[kitamesume]

what do you mean? pagefile should be on the fastest drive if possible.

on either case disabling it isn't advisable, rather just set the minimum to the lowest possible, and set the maximum to equal your ram.
windows7 or 8 manages paging pretty well by itself, rarely increasing the allocated minimum, if ever.

[Tatsujin]

what do you mean? pagefile should be on the fastest drive if possible.

on either case disabling it isn't advisable, rather just set the minimum to the lowest possible, and set the maximum to equal your ram.
windows7 or 8 manages paging pretty well by itself, rarely increasing the allocated minimum, if ever.

You vs.

A lot of page file isn't needed. But some is. Just get some 500 megs. I think I have less than a gig too. What you don't need to do is to follow the system default of getting the same amount of pagefile that you have ram.

Him.

-is lost-

[Gh0st93]

I don't really fuck with that type of stuff, And if you do stuff could start crashing. Once agian if you had a low amount of ram I could understand but these "tweaks"  Are pretty much meaningless anymore.

[Saras]

The last time I ran out of memory was in 2002. Haven't had an issue with not dedicating enough memory to the page file either, hell I ran without any whatsoever for quite a while as well without any issues either. And since space is a premium on SSDs, don't waste it on something as useless as that. If you have to put anywhere put in the black.

Besides, if you do end up having issues with it, just increase it. It's not exactly a hard thing to detect or remedy once it happens.

[kitamesume]

i'm saying that leaving it on auto-adjust with the "minimum" to lowest possible is the ideal thing to do.
windows7 will self-adjust if it needs more paging but rarely does so because of how efficient it is, essentially with a large amount of ram it'll stick to the minimum amount unless some freak incident happens.

for example like this:


its been stuck at 400mb allocation for almost a month now.

[Gh0st93]

Tatsujin. Man don't worry about this kind of shit until you actually have the computer built, running and stable. Like I said you're running some really high specs, So don't worry about stuff like this until you actually have a reason to.

[kitamesume]

speaking SSDs, had it ever occurred to microsoft(or intel?) that leaving superfetch and write buffer enabled reduces SSD controller wear?

[Tri_Edge]

Got my MB replacement this week and so far everything looks good, kinda, for some odd reason whenever I hit the reset button on my case the UEFI bios sets the ram to 1066mhz from 1333mhz and will halt the boot process until I set the correct frequency, doesn't happen if I re-start the machine.


Thankfully it wasn't a refurbished board.