When building... Do you buy Windows?

[AceHigh]

Microsoft isn't going back to the classic shell. And there's little reason for someone to emulate it completely. You will get that alternative start menu if you want it, but not much more.

Obviously I meant 3rd party, I don't expect much from Microsoft 

*support for future directx revisions that arent available with Win7

Completely irrelevant as long as my graphic card does not support it.

*cleaner boot process resulting to faster bootup speed

I use SSD, in practice I can no longer even take a piss while OS boots up, because it is so fast already.

*cleaner kernel resulting in smoother OS performance
*leaner build resulting with less resource demand on all categories(drive space, ram space, cpu usage, gpu usage, etc.)

Would be nice to have at least estimated performance improvement, especially on my relatively high end rig.

*refined user interface which targets faster interaction, eliminating redundant aspects of the previous UI. (needs some time getting used to)

This one got me excited, searched for some vids of it on youtube, even got interested when I saw the start button in the lower left corner, then BAM! clicking on it opens up a fullscreen window full of hideous colours and buttons huge enough to insult my mouse targeting precision. Here is what sucks, none of my nerdy... eh knowledgeable friends use win 8 so I never get to see how much you can actually customize it. I will probably buy an extra rig just for the purpose of testing shit out on it, since I don't want to experiment with various OS on my main rig.

If no one buys it then why did they hit 100M copies sold?

OEM

[kitamesume]

its what i concluded after reading a bunch of win8.1 re-reviews, they seem to be consistent of what i mentioned, plus the boot-speed (as low as 2seconds!) is insane enough to ridicule the use of hibernate or sleep.

*refined user interface which targets faster interaction, eliminating redundant aspects of the previous UI. (needs some time getting used to)

This one got me excited, searched for some vids of it on youtube, even got interested when I saw the start button in the lower left corner, then BAM! clicking on it opens up a fullscreen window full of hideous colours and buttons huge enough to insult my mouse targeting precision. Here is what sucks, none of my nerdy... eh knowledgeable friends use win 8 so I never get to see how much you can actually customize it. I will probably buy an extra rig just for the purpose of testing shit out on it, since I don't want to experiment with various OS on my main rig.

thats a good start.

[Slysoft]

Why is it so hard to create a clean and lightweight OS that is feature rich but without gimmicks?

[kitamesume]

#1 reason is fool-proofing takes too much effort.

[Saras]

Why is it so hard to create a clean and lightweight OS that is feature rich but without gimmicks?

You can't have something that's both customizeable and fool proof. A system like that could exist, but tough luck trying to teach it to some granny. In fact, it already exists, it's called Gentoo. Compile only that, which you need.

Ace, the more time you spend on something, the harder it is to change. I know techies, where only a shot gun would pry off their copy of windows xp and only from their dead cold hands. Look at how 15 year olds use computers, they'll be a better example for win 8 than a sys admin.

[Zephel]

A few years ago I had access to msdnaa and hence got a few legal keys... but after years of using them for me & family their DMAK were caped... since then, because I don't want to bother with call support shit (dunno if they even bother since my msdnaa was not extended back then) I simply use Tool Kit and activate it.

But tbh I would use Linux Mint if I weren't so picky about my apps (mainly MPC-HC / delay when pausing, ui etc ;P) + my 3TB storage drive is formatted strangely by windows and won't show up in linux no matter what I do D:

So yeah grey to black zone for me

[AceHigh]

#1 reason is fool-proofing takes too much effort.

No such thing as "fool-proof", because fools are so ingenious.

Ace, the more time you spend on something, the harder it is to change. I know techies, where only a shot gun would pry off their copy of windows xp and only from their dead cold hands. Look at how 15 year olds use computers, they'll be a better example for win 8 than a sys admin.

As Mac users love to say "it just works". No worries, I will switch when it no longer meets my needs. Most likely during DX shift and new graphic card purchase, just like when I switched from XP to Win7 after buying one of those first Radeon cards that supported DX11. Never owned Vista, it was too shitty to waste my bandwith pirating it.

Here is a question? can you customize the start screen to be transparent so you see the desktop wallpaper through it? Also can you assign any colour you want to the icons and resize them to any size you want? Because then I would just customize my way to a start bar.

[Slysoft]

Why is it so hard to create a clean and lightweight OS that is feature rich but without gimmicks?

You can't have something that's both customizeable and fool proof. A system like that could exist, but tough luck trying to teach it to some granny. In fact, it already exists, it's called Gentoo. Compile only that, which you need.

Ace, the more time you spend on something, the harder it is to change. I know techies, where only a shot gun would pry off their copy of windows xp and only from their dead cold hands. Look at how 15 year olds use computers, they'll be a better example for win 8 than a sys admin.

I never said anything about fool proofing. I just want something barebones and stable without bloated garbage.

[Saras]

Why is it so hard to create a clean and lightweight OS that is feature rich but without gimmicks?

You can't have something that's both customizeable and fool proof. A system like that could exist, but tough luck trying to teach it to some granny. In fact, it already exists, it's called Gentoo. Compile only that, which you need.

Ace, the more time you spend on something, the harder it is to change. I know techies, where only a shot gun would pry off their copy of windows xp and only from their dead cold hands. Look at how 15 year olds use computers, they'll be a better example for win 8 than a sys admin.

I never said anything about fool proofing. I just want something barebones and stable without bloated garbage.

And that's called gentoo. You compile only that which you need and nothing else. Fool proofing is not for you mate, it's what you need for an OS to become widely used outside of the neckbeard side of the internet.

#1 reason is fool-proofing takes too much effort.

No such thing as "fool-proof", because fools are so ingenious.

Ace, the more time you spend on something, the harder it is to change. I know techies, where only a shot gun would pry off their copy of windows xp and only from their dead cold hands. Look at how 15 year olds use computers, they'll be a better example for win 8 than a sys admin.

Here is a question? can you customize the start screen to be transparent so you see the desktop wallpaper through it? Also can you assign any colour you want to the icons and resize them to any size you want? Because then I would just customize my way to a start bar.

Yes to the first on win 8.1. No idea to the rest. As for icon sizes, there's medium, small and large. You also can opt to go into All apps view, by default on pressing start, which is more similar to to the view in standard start.

[Tiffanys]

If no one buys it then why did they hit 100M copies sold?

Corporations.

[Slysoft]

Why is it so hard to create a clean and lightweight OS that is feature rich but without gimmicks?

You can't have something that's both customizeable and fool proof. A system like that could exist, but tough luck trying to teach it to some granny. In fact, it already exists, it's called Gentoo. Compile only that, which you need.

Ace, the more time you spend on something, the harder it is to change. I know techies, where only a shot gun would pry off their copy of windows xp and only from their dead cold hands. Look at how 15 year olds use computers, they'll be a better example for win 8 than a sys admin.

I never said anything about fool proofing. I just want something barebones and stable without bloated garbage.

And that's called gentoo. You compile only that which you need and nothing else. Fool proofing is not for you mate, it's what you need for an OS to become widely used outside of the neckbeard side of the internet.

If directx was ported to linux then I would use it. And honestly linux is more "fool proof" than windows as far as I'm concerned. You pretty much have to know what you're doing to fuck it up in the first place, unlike windows where I was constantly reformatting my parent's computers when they would fubar their install.

[1baka]

Last time I built I was in college so I got Windows Server 2008R2 through "dreamspark" for free. This time my employer provided a free MSDN subscription. I got tons of Windows licenses on that.

[megido-rev.M]

If no one buys it then why did they hit 100M copies sold?

Corporations.

More specifically, as volume licenses.

[Gh0st93]

If no one buys it then why did they hit 100M copies sold?

Corporations.

I was being sarcastic, But still at the most basic of basic obviously someone somewhere has to purchase it whether it's a person in a company, Or average Joe builder with a new build. But there is still a market for regardless.

[megido-rev.M]

AFAIK companies need to get it legally anyway. Using UNIX too wouldn't be surprising.

[kitamesume]

Why is it so hard to create a clean and lightweight OS that is feature rich but without gimmicks?

You can't have something that's both customizeable and fool proof. A system like that could exist, but tough luck trying to teach it to some granny. In fact, it already exists, it's called Gentoo. Compile only that, which you need.

Ace, the more time you spend on something, the harder it is to change. I know techies, where only a shot gun would pry off their copy of windows xp and only from their dead cold hands. Look at how 15 year olds use computers, they'll be a better example for win 8 than a sys admin.

I never said anything about fool proofing. I just want something barebones and stable without bloated garbage.

And that's called gentoo. You compile only that which you need and nothing else. Fool proofing is not for you mate, it's what you need for an OS to become widely used outside of the neckbeard side of the internet.

If directx was ported to linux then I would use it. And honestly linux is more "fool proof" than windows as far as I'm concerned. You pretty much have to know what you're doing to fuck it up in the first place, unlike windows where I was constantly reformatting my parent's computers when they would fubar their install.

i beg to differ, running windows apps using wine still does go bonkers for some odd reasons or without any reasons at all.

[OnDeed]

Windows 8 has finally got a sane licensing policy for people who self-assemble from components. You just buy the relatively cheap OEM version and can install it according to the "personal usage license". It is even transferable to another PC you build later (yay!).

So yeah, I spent those ~90 € to have it legitimate. I will be clinging to it for the decade it's supported for

[revo]

linux

[megido-rev.M]

^ I presume that means no.

[zherok]

Came with the computer. Didn't feel like building it all from scratch. Windows 8 only cost $15 to upgrade to, and the next update is apparently free for me. Laptop came with 7, so that's both the computers I own.