Author Topic: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs (Read 7260 times)

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #100 on:** September 06, 2013, 01:50:16 AM »

I believe monitors have other functions too. USB ports for instance.

vuzedome · « **Reply #101 on:** September 06, 2013, 04:57:09 AM »

Oh? TVs mostly have USBs as well. Really love it how you can just plug it in and play your videos without resorting to buying those HDD players.
Fast processor, know how to hard code subs as well as frame interpolation, perfect.

LillyTown · « **Reply #102 on:** September 06, 2013, 05:14:04 AM »

Can we agree that there's no difference by definition but in common usage?

Even image quality can be a poor basis, a top notch TV will destroy a shitty monitor while some top-of-the-line $6000 Eizo might destroy your cheap Vizio thing you picked up on sale at Walmart.

Gh0st93 · « **Reply #103 on:** September 06, 2013, 05:18:32 AM »

This may not fall under all televisions but most aren't geared towards the ports a lot of monitors use, sure there may be display port and HDMI, but there's normally no DVI or VGA. Also the bezels are different and so are the speakers, etc. Can they be crossed over? Yes, but they are normally built for there specified use.

LillyTown · « **Reply #104 on:** September 06, 2013, 05:27:38 AM »

Yes, I get that there are certain features that *tend* to show up on models marketed as 'monitors' and vise versa. It seems like everyone is Englishfailing or something. I'm saying there seems to be no *definitive* difference, something that makes something *objectively* a 'computer monitor' or a 'television set' other than how it's marketed.

On that note, I'm tellin' you guys.... projectors are where it's at. 4K projectors will be SOOOO leet. "Ohh... yeah, I watch my Japanese girly-cartoons at about 90" diagonal.... Yeah, I only get them 4K rips with super 10.4 surround sound 'cause I got a new 3PB ramdrive."

Gh0st93 · « **Reply #105 on:** September 06, 2013, 05:36:18 AM »

I really wasn't speaking to you directly, I was just pointing something out that I hadn't seen some light put on. Also televisions have a different suite of controls and options along with an inferred receiver for remotes. And really anything past mainly 30 inches and you have to go to televisions anyways so really it's not the fairest of comparisons.

LillyTown · « **Reply #106 on:** September 06, 2013, 05:56:46 AM »

You're right that it's not really fair to compare a 20" screen to a 80" screen, the difference in dot pitch is massive(well... 400% to be exact). I was just giving examples at the extreme ends of the spectrum for illustration sake. I should point out that a lot of what I've said in here has been overly basic and simplified for others that might not be so knowledgeable on electronics. I'm sure most that have been around for a while know a bit about digital video, much more than myself I'm sure. You're bound to learn at least the basics in figuring out how to get hi10p fansubs to play unless you go the CCCP route. Even still....

That was a good point about USB and typical connections. My older HDTV doesn't have USB, DVI or VGA but my newer one(LG) has VGA, HDMI, USB and I *believe* it even has DVI but I can't say without taking it off the wall. Fucker has all kinds of connections... component, coax...

Just thought of something else.... Do you think 120Hz(or some other multiple of 24Hz) refresh rates will become more common to support playback of '24p' video without 2:3 pulldown?

zherok · « **Reply #107 on:** September 06, 2013, 07:08:38 AM »

Depends on how much of a niche 120hz remains. Pushing two cost-driving standards at once probably doesn't help adoption rates of either. But what would you do with a 4k 120hz monitor now that justifies the cost? Especially when by the time content is common there'll be far cheaper and better displays that do the same thing.

Regarding projectors though, how practical are those as actual monitors? It kinda feels like you're talking almost exclusively about displays so large they'd be pretty hard to use at an actual desk.

Gh0st93 · « **Reply #108 on:** September 06, 2013, 07:19:05 AM »

The projector thing could defiantly be done if given a good bit of thought, as for 120hz monitors I really just see them being pushed with brands for either gaming or higher end home theater stuff.

Xycolian2332 · « **Reply #109 on:** September 06, 2013, 07:33:04 AM »

4k video? Holy shit.

First world problems much?

LillyTown · « **Reply #110 on:** September 06, 2013, 08:05:50 AM »

Xycolian: No one is bitching about anything... Just discussing it. I guess it's a 'white whine' that I wish other people weren't so cheap and would adopt better technology sooner. I don't think thousands for a 30" set are justifiable for mainstream viewing, I'm talking about the lame fucks in Utah that still have some wonky 4:3 set from 1992. The poor bastards that think it's not worth going to Blu-ray because 'DVD looks fine'.

As for a projector... I typically 'compute'(lulz) from my bed, I have my keyboard on my lap right now but grab a large tupperware if I need a 'desktop' surface. I'm hoping to get a 1080p projector soon and it will presumably project onto a screen on my wall about 5' from where I typically sit or about 10' away if I sit against the opposite wall. It looks like the size screen projected/distance varies among projectors and is marked by a measurement known as 'throw ratio'. An article I read today stated 1 ft screen per 2 feet throw distance as a common throw ratio. Not sure how accurate that is but I'll go with that for now... If the projector is 9ft from the screen, the screen size will be 54" diagonal. i'd want a bit more so I'll look for a greater throw ratio.

I think it certainly is a bit more trouble than a typical TV as there's maintenance and complexity that you don't have to deal with with LCD TVs. Top-tier projectors tend to be very expensive as well but from what I've read the image quality can't be beat without going to a comparatively tiny, professional grade monitor(ie. Dreamcolor, Eizo, etc.) and at massive sizes over 150".

I've not seen better image quality than in a cinema and that's part of what pushed me to look into projectors. Granted cinemas play much better video(it can't be called film any more, can it?)... size makes a big difference though. I think that's sort of a given but I forget just how *much* of a difference. I think back to the last time I saw something in the cinema and how much more *immersive* and *epic* it was. I want to watch my favorite anime like that and creating such a home theater will be my magnum opus.

EDIT: Plenty of errors, took care of the ones I saw.

Mistgun_Zero · « **Reply #111 on:** September 06, 2013, 05:29:31 PM »

Quote from: Xycolian2332 on September 06, 2013, 07:33:04 AM

4k video? Holy shit.

First world problems much?

First - world don't seem to have much problems. Though second and and third-world will suffer. 40GB for ~110 minute movie.

Also, like kita said monitor's are professional use and TV's are more for causal use.

Monitors - The color gamut is given more importance and mostly still images are used on it. 4K monitors have been in use mainly in security (their surveillance and stuff) before you even heard of them going commercial.

TV's - More importance is given to the fact it has to display constantly moving objects (the 100hz, 200hz, 400hz etc. motion flow thingy) rather than exact color reproduction.(well, Sony's Triluminous TV's, which include all 4K TV's, actually fixes this problem, that's the reason I have been drooling to get one). And their usage is well less than a monitor aka less life span on average.

TV's also need to be produced in large sizes, 46, 55, 65 inch etc. This actually is hell lot difficult to produce than smaller monitors due to larger error rate in the production of pixels. Not to mention the components, mainly capacitors required, have to be of higher rating to power those large pictures effectively.

So in terms of production itself, Monitors and TV's are totally different, but in normal usage they are different. Sure you can use one for another and be completely satisfied by it, but both have their own specific purpose in which they will excel in general.

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #112 on:** September 07, 2013, 12:58:02 AM »

Quote from: vuzedome on September 06, 2013, 04:57:09 AM

Oh? TVs mostly have USBs as well. Really love it how you can just plug it in and play your videos without resorting to buying those HDD players.

I was mostly referring to those mice and other such things.

BTW TVs have remotes.

kitamesume · « **Reply #113 on:** September 07, 2013, 02:44:08 AM »

has anyone mentioned that the TV controllers (panel controllers) introduces a massive display lag or input lag on top of having abysmal response time?
its due to the entirely useless post-processing a TV does to the feed before it paints it into it's screen.

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #114 on:** September 07, 2013, 02:50:52 AM »

Oh look...

Sony offers pro 4K camcorder for $6,500: the PXW-Z100 with 10-bit, 600Mbps video

ThePlaneJet · « **Reply #115 on:** September 09, 2013, 05:43:58 AM »

So damn expensive.

Gh0st93 · « **Reply #116 on:** September 11, 2013, 01:52:36 AM »

DisplayLink's adaptor streams 4K content over USB 2.0 and 3.0

Tatsujin · « **Reply #117 on:** September 11, 2013, 06:02:59 PM »

Quote from: Xycolian2332 on September 06, 2013, 07:33:04 AM

4k video? Holy shit.

First world problems much?

The more posts I read from you, the more I get you like to spam/troll without reading what we're talking about or/and doing a proper research.

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So the new format for 4K is Ultra Blu-ray?

Xycolian2332 · « **Reply #118 on:** September 11, 2013, 06:13:12 PM »

I just say whatever comes to my mind

Tatsujin · « **Reply #119 on:** September 11, 2013, 06:14:34 PM »

Quote from: Xycolian2332 on September 11, 2013, 06:13:12 PM

I just say whatever comes to my mind

Are you a pre-teen or still a teenager?