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Online Mistgun_Zero

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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #80 on: September 05, 2013, 02:24:53 PM »
About 4-5 months back I picked out (more like I was forced to pick out) a 60 inch TV (had to be that size) for our living room. I ended up choosing this if anyone's interested; was recommended by all the reviews and whatnot, and was the most competitively priced.

Anyway, at 60 inches I can see maybe double the resolution of 1080p would be nice (I'm not sure what the current p's are at). Like, if it was 2160 I could maybe see that being worth it. I mean hell even that 60 inch has a really nice picture and the resolution doesn't matter that much. There was just something like the semblance of a blur or something or other here or there if you looked really hard... so 2160p (or whatever)? Yeah, that might be okay. But 4k? Total waste. Overkill.

Keep in mind that 60 inches may be on the slightly higher side of things when it comes to standard living room TV sizes, so if I say 2160 would be the maximum I could see need for on that... I'm pretty much also saying that it's the maximum I could see being needed for the average consumer, period.

Right, either I didn't read that perfectly or something's wrong with you. You do realize 4K means 2160p? Right? 4k = 3840px x2160 px. Now that we know that we can proceed further.

And hmm for for 8K it would be (7280 x 4320) px. I am sure you are confusing 8K with 4K. Well, that's how it is.

And I will say it again, 4K certainly would be the minimum for 46+ inch TV's. And 8K might be for 65+ TV's.


Sony came out with X850 series i.e 55" and 65" 4K TV's without their special speakers. Priced at $3,500 for the 55" and $5,000 for 65". They are getting more and more affordable.

And for some more kicks, 56" 4K OLED TV by Sony
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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2013, 03:23:45 PM »
I like how the only two options there are:
1. Something is wrong with me.
2. You're misreading.

How about 3, I misunderstood what this topic was about?

It's misleading to call it 4k video when all of our current resolution numbers are based on the vertical number (720p, 1080p, which could well be dubbed 0.7k and 1k). It's also even more misleading when the horizontal roughly equals what the vertical would be at the next level. I didn't read an exact resolution number in this topic, so I assumed 4k meant 4320p.


Also, I would not call that "affordable". Try 1000–1500 max for that screen size.
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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2013, 05:37:19 PM »
About 4-5 months back I picked out (more like I was forced to pick out) a 60 inch TV (had to be that size) for our living room. I ended up choosing this if anyone's interested; was recommended by all the reviews and whatnot, and was the most competitively priced.

Anyway, at 60 inches I can see maybe double the resolution of 1080p would be nice (I'm not sure what the current p's are at). Like, if it was 2160 I could maybe see that being worth it. I mean hell even that 60 inch has a really nice picture and the resolution doesn't matter that much. There was just something like the semblance of a blur or something or other here or there if you looked really hard... so 2160p (or whatever)? Yeah, that might be okay. But 4k? Total waste. Overkill.

Keep in mind that 60 inches may be on the slightly higher side of things when it comes to standard living room TV sizes, so if I say 2160 would be the maximum I could see need for on that... I'm pretty much also saying that it's the maximum I could see being needed for the average consumer, period.

Again, I think you're wrong. You phrased that as fact when clearly it's your opinion. Total opinion. Overly opinionated. ;) First of all, a 'slight blur' could be from any # of things. Also, don't you guys realise '2160p' is more or less 4k? '4k' refers to the 'width', it's about twice the resolution of 1080p in each 'direction' for a total of about 4x as many pixels. Further, you never mentioned anything else about your set up or your viewing distance so what you say isn't even helpful as anecdotal evidence. From wikipedia... "2160p is an alternative name for 4K UHD, a resolution planned to appear in future...."
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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #83 on: September 05, 2013, 07:30:41 PM »
About 4-5 months back I picked out (more like I was forced to pick out) a 60 inch TV (had to be that size) for our living room. I ended up choosing this if anyone's interested; was recommended by all the reviews and whatnot, and was the most competitively priced.

Anyway, at 60 inches I can see maybe double the resolution of 1080p would be nice (I'm not sure what the current p's are at). Like, if it was 2160 I could maybe see that being worth it. I mean hell even that 60 inch has a really nice picture and the resolution doesn't matter that much. There was just something like the semblance of a blur or something or other here or there if you looked really hard... so 2160p (or whatever)? Yeah, that might be okay. But 4k? Total waste. Overkill.

Keep in mind that 60 inches may be on the slightly higher side of things when it comes to standard living room TV sizes, so if I say 2160 would be the maximum I could see need for on that... I'm pretty much also saying that it's the maximum I could see being needed for the average consumer, period.

Again, I think you're wrong. You phrased that as fact when clearly it's your opinion. Total opinion. Overly opinionated. ;)


How the fuck did I phrase that as a fact? I mean I can already tell you have reading issues because most of the rest of your post was addressed by the two posts above you... but I don't see how you don't see how you could miss the intent of that post being to give out my opinion.

Anyway, I sit like maybe a bit over 10 feet away. You know, like any normal person using a 60 inch TV. Maybe closer on occasion. They have recommended view distance charts out there you know?



Also, I don't understand why people're  suddenly jumping to using the horizontal instead of the vertical. The fuck is the point of that? Because 4k is more impressive than 2160p for marketing purposes?

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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2013, 08:01:27 PM »
Whoa bud, calm down... I replied after reading your post instead of going all the way through the thread. Second, if you say "that girl is cute" instead of "I think that girl is cute" or "that girl looks cute to me" you're phrasing your opinion as if it were fact. Anyway, you seem to have the issue here being both incorrect and being an ass about it.

Here again you're being an ass... Many companies and organizations have released 'recommended viewing distances'. This is nothing more than a suggestion, sometimes based in science, sometimes not. I'd go with what THX suggests if you had to. I like to sit close enough that the screen fills more of my view if I'm doing some 'serious viewing' so I'd prolly go with like 5ft from a 65" screen. I don't know why you'd bring up 'normal' people, that reads as 'typical consumer' to me. Don't you realise 'most' people don't know jack shit?

It's not just *me* that's 'suddenly jumping...' etc., the term came about from the field of digital photography. It's been in place for a while, and 4k screens have just started to gain some semblance of acceptance. The '2160p' shit is the BS term that just came about out of nowhere. Probably noobs like yourself trying to keep with the lame '720p, 1080p' shit. It's more useful to just write out the horizontal x vertical resolution so that there's no confusion ie 1280x720. Some people will refer to the aforementioned 1366x768 standard as '720p' while others might call it '768p'. Best to avoid confusion but 4k is more of an umbrella term for several possible resolutions but I think what we're talking about here is '4K UHD', 3840x2160; a 'doubling' of 1920x1080 along each axis for a total of 4 times the pixels(about 2M vs 8M)
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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #85 on: September 05, 2013, 08:06:53 PM »
speaking of viewing distance, the sofa is a bit over 2meters away from the TV, the dining table is a bit over 3meters.
at that distance with the 32" 1366x768 and a 720P source it looks ok-ish, its like 100 soft-cubic(madvr) of 720P to 1080P on 21.5" monitor @ 1meter distance.

this is what 720P upscaled looks like on my 21.5" or what the monitor suppose to be getting.
100softcubic http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4933/r1y9.png
jink4 http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9431/gkvq.png

native 1080P http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3486/q5n2.png

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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #86 on: September 05, 2013, 08:16:20 PM »
Yeah, soft-cubic looked quite a bit worse, lost all fine detail and sharpness. Native 1080p looked best but again I've a 1080p screen and to compare I scaled all shots to 1080p. Hmm, confusing stuff when you're scaling and scaling and scaling. Maybe I'm using the wrong term... I'm no expert but I think my eyes are very keen. I don't think it really takes great eyes, either... Most people realise that even the best video doesn't look the same as seeing something in person.
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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #87 on: September 05, 2013, 09:56:48 PM »
Whoa bud, calm down... I replied after reading your post instead of going all the way through the thread. Second, if you say "that girl is cute" instead of "I think that girl is cute" or "that girl looks cute to me" you're phrasing your opinion as if it were fact. Anyway, you seem to have the issue here being both incorrect and being an ass about it.

I know the semantics, I'm asking you where the fuck in my post you see me saying "that girl is cute", per se. Furthermore that's really fucking idiotic because by default all interpretation of speech is subjective, hence you can't even factually prove that I was utterly saying I believed everything in that post was indisputable fact.  Normally, in which case, you go to the original author to clarify, rather than making dumbshit assumptions like "Goddamn I fucking suck at interpreting shit, so I'm going to say that you're just pushing facts out here, because I'm a dumb motherfucker." Case study for that quotation is you. Either that, or hey, you just assume that since the person is saying that, it's their OPINION unless they otherwise specify that they believe it is an objective fact.

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Here again you're being an ass...

Do I look like I give a fuck? Since you can't see me here, I'm going to tell you: no.

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Many companies and organizations have released 'recommended viewing distances'. This is nothing more than a suggestion, sometimes based in science, sometimes not. I'd go with what THX suggests if you had to. I like to sit close enough that the screen fills more of my view if I'm doing some 'serious viewing' so I'd prolly go with like 5ft from a 65" screen. I don't know why you'd bring up 'normal' people, that reads as 'typical consumer' to me. Don't you realise 'most' people don't know jack shit?

Goddamn, we have an e-hipster here. I'm glad you love shoving the TV in your face.

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It's not just *me* that's 'suddenly jumping...' etc., the term came about from the field of digital photography. It's been in place for a while, and 4k screens have just started to gain some semblance of acceptance.
Holy shit, a line from the wiki.
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The '2160p' shit is the BS term that just came about out of nowhere.
How the fuck is it a "BS term that came out of nowhere?" Rather, since when have you heard a 1920x1080 resolution TV referred to as a 2k set? Fuck, I mean go look at Wikipedia's "2k resolution" entry. Now go look at the 1080p resolution entry. Now go look at the 4k resolution entry. Compare the lengths. The shit just outright doesn't make sense. 2160p hardly comes out of nowhere, it just doesn't have any kind of ring to it. That's probably why they're trying to steer towards 4k for marketing purposes.

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Probably noobs like yourself trying to keep with the lame '720p, 1080p' shit.
Goddamn, fucking e-hipster in the house. Stop the infection.

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It's more useful to just write out the horizontal x vertical resolution so that there's no confusion ie 1280x720. Some people will refer to the aforementioned 1366x768 standard as '720p' while others might call it '768p'. Best to avoid confusion but 4k is more of an umbrella term for several possible resolutions but I think what we're talking about here is '4K UHD', 3840x2160; a 'doubling' of 1920x1080 along each axis for a total of 4 times the pixels(about 2M vs 8M)

I'm really glad you know how to do math. (2*x)^2 is indeed 4x^2. And hence, (2*x)*(2*y)=4xy.
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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #88 on: September 05, 2013, 10:31:12 PM »
Seems you insist on personally insulting people when they point out your mistakes. I'll only argue in a civil manner so I'd appreciate if you could find your caregiver and tell them you're having a fit and could use your medication. First of all, I don't see how you could think all speech is meant to be interpreted as opinion. When someone says, "my name is...." or "I'm 12 years old today...." that's meant to be taken as *fact*. Interpretation of anything is subjective, you can interpret what I write any damn way you want but it doesn't change what's written there.

 You wrote "... 4k? Total waste. Overkill." as if you were the final word on electronics. Ohh, but that's just your opinion? Maybe say "I feel 4k would be a total waste but I can't really say as I've no experience...."

I've no clue what an 'e-hipster' is but I associate hipsters with Apple products, ugly, tacky shit, pretentiousness, hybrid cars and Angry Birds-esque casual games. I could be way off but whatever I totally dislike whatever I just described.

If you'd bother to read the Wiki article you'd know that the term '4k' has been around much longer. It comes from the digital photography field and has been around longer than the term '2160p' in all likelihood.

Again, no clue what your lame lil' slang word means. I'm going to take a wild guess here and assume you play console videogames, probably love the Call of Duty and Mass Effect.

Not sure what you're getting at with wonky-text maths. How is 2x^2 equal to 4x^2? Regardless, how does it relate to this conversation?
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« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2013, 10:58:01 PM »
Seems you insist on personally insulting people when they point out your mistakes. I'll only argue in a civil manner so I'd appreciate if you could find your caregiver and tell them you're having a fit and could use your medication. First of all, I don't see how you could think all speech is meant to be interpreted as opinion. When someone says, "my name is...." or "I'm 12 years old today...." that's meant to be taken as *fact*. Interpretation of anything is subjective, you can interpret what I write any damn way you want but it doesn't change what's written there.

What mistakes? And what civil manner? I assume calling me a noob and replying in ways that are obviously meant to annoy me are part of your normal civility, which is hilarious. At least I admit I"m not being civil, but I also think it's hilarious that not being civil on a forum automatically means I've got anger issues and need medication in real life. Furthermore, no it's not meant to be taken as a fact. It's meant to be "them saying something." If you just seriously take everything at face value I feel very sorry for you.

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You wrote "... 4k? Total waste. Overkill." as if you were the final word on electronics. Ohh, but that's just your opinion? Maybe say "I feel 4k would be a total waste but I can't really say as I've no experience...."

Actually, if you noticed that it follows a specific section that is me voicing my experiences with a 60 inch TV, it's clearly me stating that, from what I had experienced, 4k (which is my mininterpreted 4k, which actually means 8k), is overkill. Again, interpretation is subjective, and the only way to be clear is to ask the original author, not assume random shit.


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If you'd bother to read the Wiki article you'd know that the term '4k' has been around much longer. It comes from the digital photography field and has been around longer than the term '2160p' in all likelihood.

I don't give a fuck what you find on there. My entire point was that I didn't understand why all of the sudden they (whoever popularizes this shit) were using random-ass photography terms instead of the 720p and 1080p terms that were practically used to categorize practically all HDTV's up till this point. ie, why are we switching from <vertical resolution>p to <round horizontal resolution to nearest thousand, cutoff last three digits>k for no real reason.

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Again, no clue what your lame lil' slang word means. I'm going to take a wild guess here and assume you play console videogames, probably love the Call of Duty and Mass Effect.
I'm going to take a wild guess you're trolling, and/or you're being really fucking retarded, because there's a fucking PC building topic in this very same subforum. Guess who the TC is.
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Not sure what you're getting at with wonky-text maths. How is 2x^2 equal to 4x^2? Regardless, how does it relate to this conversation?

They're called parenthesis. Learn to use them.

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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #90 on: September 05, 2013, 11:04:01 PM »
Can we stop arguing about trivial shit and just get back to the topic before this thread gets locked?
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« Reply #91 on: September 05, 2013, 11:36:44 PM »
Well, I'll admit I'm annoyed now... first you state "derpp what mistake?" and then admit that you didn't even know what '4k' referred to. That's what's known as a *mistake*. Do you want a dictionary? I can lend ya one, I've no dire need. Next up, what kind of idiot takes everything they hear as fact? I said you phrased your opinion as if *you* felt it was fact. It's not a big deal to me, I just feel when something is so clearly based on opinion it should be phrased as such.

Again, *I* realise that it's simply your opinion and that's what *you* meant it to be. I just had a problem with your 'matter-of-fact' tone. You seem very defensive.... I'm worried you might have anger issues.

It's clearly to do with big business, the Japanese TV set manufacturers decided 4k/8k etc sounds more appealing. I can't see any other reason in the world.

Mmm.... I didn't realise but I am fairly new around here. You struck me as the type that might play military-shooter games on an XBOX. You haven't denied it but side-stepped it so I'm going to blindly assume you love the Call of Duty on XBOX and probably eat boxes and boxes of Ho-Hos with Mountain Dew while you play.

For my final attack..... Raising Heart.... STARLIGHTOOOOO BUH-REA.... Oh, wrong show ;) What I meant to say was, they're known as 'parentheses' in plural. The singular form is 'parenthesis'.

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« Reply #92 on: September 06, 2013, 12:14:57 AM »
Well, I'll admit I'm annoyed now... first you state "derpp what mistake?" and then admit that you didn't even know what '4k' referred to. That's what's known as a *mistake*. Do you want a dictionary? I can lend ya one, I've no dire need. Next up, what kind of idiot takes everything they hear as fact? I said you phrased your opinion as if *you* felt it was fact. It's not a big deal to me, I just feel when something is so clearly based on opinion it should be phrased as such.

I admitted that mistake plenty of posts back. I thought you had to be talking about something else because of that fact, and it was rather annoying.

Honestly, I don't even give a shit anymore. This is just pointless and annoying.

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It's clearly to do with big business, the Japanese TV set manufacturers decided 4k/8k etc sounds more appealing. I can't see any other reason in the world.

Yep, it has nothing to do with them wanting to adhere to some obscure photo standards (which is why speaking of that matter is silly). They saw the terminology and decided to publicize it because it sounded better. I happen to not watch any TV, so I naturally assumed that 4K in the topic title was simply 4xxxp resolution, and I made a mini rant about how I didn't understand why such was the case.

I'm not bothering with the rest of that.

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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #93 on: September 06, 2013, 12:37:05 AM »
Anyone here have a 4k TV?

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« Reply #94 on: September 06, 2013, 12:42:59 AM »
Bro, I don't want to fight and it sounds like you don't either. I'll assume we're all adults here and while it might feel good for a few seconds to correct someone it's certainly not how I like to 'get my kicks' so I'm happy to forget about it. I didn't read the posts after the one I initially replied to which was probably an error on my part. I often do that so I don't forget what I'm replying to or have to scroll down/open another tab and reread it. I hope you realise that you were very defensive when Mistgun corrected you and understandably when I corrected you again. It was an honest mistake I made but a mistake none-the-less and I'm sorry.

I hope you don't mind that this post is kind of long but I want to be clear that I'm sorry for the immature, low-brow remarks I made. I try to avoid that outside of youtube and other such slums but my pride got the best of me. I'm also sorry that I likely wasted your time because I was so caught up in arguing and wanting to be 'right'.

As a closing remark, the first time I saw '4k' I thought it was as you said, 4000 pixels in the vertical orientation. As computers love the power of 2 it made sense to me and sounded like a massive gain in resolution, I was psyched up. I'm not that well-read on the matter but I'd guess at this point that 8k wont' be very common and will sort of be a specialist thing until 16k comes in.
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Now, as for the actual topic of the thread... I'm excited for 4k but I've little passion for any of the media likely to be available early on. Newer TV shows, Hollywood movies, nature shows/documentaries.... It would be nice for viewing artbook scans/digital images in general.

That brings up another point.... people say they can't see a difference but I've many artbooks scanned at massive resolutions, some images being like 7kx4k or so. Viewing them full-size obviously only a fraction of the image is viewable on my 1080p screen but it's not only sharper at full-size, there's finer detail... the information that isn't displayable at lower resolutions like 1080p. Another example would be video games; newer games look much nicer at say 1600p than at 1080p, edges are much sharper, gradients smoother, curves 'more' round, and generally finer detail.
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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #95 on: September 06, 2013, 12:45:52 AM »
I'm cool with larger monitors. Paying more for TV subscriptions (i.e. cable) not so much.

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« Reply #96 on: September 06, 2013, 01:05:43 AM »
I don't pay a dime for TV service, I literally NEVER watch it. Last time I watched more than a sec(like in a store or at a friends) was months ago. Only video either through legitimate means, fansubs I DL or shit I outright *don't-pirate*. It just doesn't have anything to offer me. Even if I wanted to watch a TV show, I'm ok with either getting an HDTV rip or waiting for the inevitable Blu-ray release and getting a BDrip
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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #97 on: September 06, 2013, 01:12:26 AM »
Anyone here have a 4k TV?

i'd like a monitor rather than a TV, but at $4.5K cheapest not a chance.

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« Reply #98 on: September 06, 2013, 01:37:53 AM »
They are essentially the same thing minus the TV tuner, no? I could be wrong but I think it's just in common usage a monitor refers to something smaller, with finer 'image quality'(more flexibility in 'refresh rate' whatever that means for an LCD, finer dot-pitch due to size, higher brightness, better real-world contrast and such) and typically lacking a TV tuner. This isn't always the case either as I've seen a few 'monitors' with built in tuners. Seems there's no hard rule though the tuner helps and obviously what they're marketed as.... I tend to just call 'em monitors(as they're for 'monitoring') or screens... maybe 'electronic display' is the most ubiquitous term.

I'd love to have one as well but I've my sights set on a cool projector for now, all the media I wish to watch is in 1080p or lower resolution and while upscaling *can* make a more pleasing picture under the right circumstances, I'm after the most *accurate* picture possible.
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Re: 4K Video + Monitor and Computer Specs
« Reply #99 on: September 06, 2013, 01:48:23 AM »
the TV's controller is different, although its not the case for every manufacturer but usually monitors does have a much sharper image than TVs.

you could just dismiss their difference as TVs are commercial models while monitors are professional models.
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