Nokia is done for.

[Garret02]

You also have to look at what you're doing. If I have buttons I can type with my eyes closed and my hands behind my back because I can tell by touch that I actually pressed a button.

[Saras]

I realise in anime the iPhone isn't ubiquitous but where I live literally *everyone* that's not a hipster or bum has an iPhone. I don't see why anyone would care about Nokia, they served their purpose.

Android has 1.5 times the market share of iOS worldwide. iOS got a big boost in being the first proper execution of the modern smartphone, however it's been going downhill for years now.


That aside, I do miss the tactile feedback. I'm kind of interested in those Android/Flipphone hybrids that are popular in asia.

[failboat]

LOL it's like none of you have ever used a touch screen device

That's nothing but a preferential difference, I can very well type without looking at the screen, but not that I'd ever have a reason to anyways.

You don't have to lock your phone with either an iPhone or non-touch phone. He's referring to having to select the 'phone' function. That *is* indeed an extra step.

Nah, you don't have to select it if you didn't close it down.

[LillyTown]

That's just silly, like I said, I've had an iPhone since the '4s' came out and I've used the all-in-one PCs plenty to know that they're a stupid concept. I can tell you FOR A FACT I can make a call much faster from a non-touch phone than from a touch-screen cell phone. For what it's worth, I used to be on my phone allll day, I'd look through the call logs and have like 16 hours a day racked up from having it on speaker phone for days n days n days . Has little to do with dialing on it but I've plenty of experience with it to know it's a sloppy piece of junk.

[kitamesume]

speed dial or not? because you could actually speed dial a smartphone at comparable speeds, press wake button, swipe and it rings.

[failboat]

Stupid concept to you maybe, but not to a lot of others.

I've had my 3gs since it came out in like what, 2009? Having the option to check train, bus and even my school schedules, manage my bank account, listening to music through spotify rather than downloading it (additionally not having to carry around another device just for that) and not being forced to carry a heavy ass dictionary and a calculator to my classes are just a few of the hugely convenient things a not crappy phone can offer.

Your arguments about how fast you can make a call are silly because the difference is literally no more than a second or two. Just say that you don't like it because you don't want or need it.
Similarly I don't like older phones because they don't have what I want and need.

[AceHigh]

This in no way contradicts my statement that a normal cell-phone is at the apex of simplicity when doing it's core function: calling. I couldn't give any less of a fuck if you check your bus schedules with it. My statement about actual calls is true: by having physical buttons you skip the step of bringing for virtual ones. Just like the buttons in the old times simplified calling when they replaced the rotary dial.

When a phone will be controlled telepathically, I will admit that there is a technology that simplifies the calling function more that buttons.

Besides I have a fucking great argument against touchscreen because of where I live: they stop working when it's cold outside... at least the capacitive screens. Now it really sucks that you can't make a call when there is -20C outside and even after taking off gloves it still doesn't work because the lack of moisture.

Man... my Nokia was dropped in snow more times than I remember. It had condensation inside the screen and still worked! Nokias are Scandinavia-proof! Meanwhile iPhones had their gorilla glass cracked because the metal case around it contracted in cold weather more than glass itself. 

[LillyTown]

That'd be incorrect... I dislike it because it's slower and inefficient. I happily own plenty of things I don't 'want or need' and don't complain about them.

The difference in time is massive, I can speed dial on a typical house phone in well under a second, probably a 1/2s or less if I've used the phone before. On the right non-touch cell phone probably even faster, the blackberry I had ages ago required simply holding a # key down for a fraction of a second. Say '4' was set up as 'bob', simply pick the phone up and hold '4' down for 1/4s and release, it's dialing. Now, without lock screen I can prolly do the same in 1s. That's at least a 100% more time to do the same thing. If you do that 100s of times throughout the day... these are extremes but I'm sure some jobs require making a lot of phone calls. Such people would want a phone that didn't suck at making phone calls.

On your next point I think it's ridiculous to compare an iPhone to a proper calculator or dictionary. It's certainly slower in either case and much slower to get a decent definition than a real dictionary.

This last point is silly... You sound like the type that says 'why worry about how fast a PC is, so what if it takes an extra second to decompress that' or 'it only takes an extra second to load'. It's the sum of doing these things hundreds and thousands of times that make it matter. 

[failboat]

On your next point I think it's ridiculous to compare an iPhone to a proper calculator or dictionary. It's certainly slower in either case and much slower to get a decent definition than a real dictionary.

lol no

This last point is silly... You sound like the type that says 'why worry about how fast a PC is, so what if it takes an extra second to decompress that' or 'it only takes an extra second to load'. It's the sum of doing these things hundreds and thousands of times that make it matter.

Not comparable

All you're saying is "it doesn't suit my needs therefor it's shit" so I'm done here.

[Freedom Kira]

Apple has always been a shit OS, but lately windows has started being shit in their attempt to emulate Apple.

I don't see how Windows 8 is anything like Apple...

[AceHigh]

All you're saying is "it doesn't suit my needs therefor it's shit" so I'm done here.

Don't let the door hit you, this is a last homage to a company that at one time made good phones, not to glass brick computers with an extra call function like that of a phone.

[halfelite]

An old school phone was a phone nothing more nothing less of course nothing will beat a simplistic phone that was designed for one function and one function only. Now to say one was faster or more or less steps the one or the other is a mute point. Now if I used an old school phone I would have to unlock it. * button then hit ok as even old school phones would butt dial so most people had keypad lock turned on,  then I would have to dial a 7-10 digit number hit send. Now I have to unlock push phone dial 7-10 digit hit send. So on old school phone , it was 10-13 button press max. New phone its 11-14 max counting waking up the screen.

But to make it even fast on my new phone I could just say call so and so and it will dial and call whoever I want now this solution doesnt work for hand typing numbers but is faster then old school of scrolling through your contact list. Pros and Cons of each way of doing things. One phone could be more superior in its dialing ability based on hard button full digit phone numbers while the other is easy for contact list calling.

[Pentium100]

Of course it isn't necessarily  "any better" but I don't see how it's in any way worse.

I dislike touch interface because if forces me to look at the phone since there is no tactile feedback. I do not have to look at a normal phone to dial it.
Also, since my fingers are kinda big, it is more difficult to press the "touch" button than a real button, because I do not have to line up my finger exactly with the real button to press it (and only it). Oh, and most touch phones do not work with a stylus, that means no precision input (small "buttons" - completely unusable) and the screen is always dirty. Those phones also do not work when I am wearing gloves. Using a touch phone with one hand is also more difficult than using a normal phone.

I have a touch phone (Samsung GT-S5830i) in addition to the E90 - I use the Samsung as a work phone - calling and receiving calls only.

Now if I used an old school phone I would have to unlock it. * button then hit ok as even old school phones would butt dial

My clamshell Nokia N93 didn't need to be locked. Just close it and the buttons are protected. It also had another great feature - big buttons.

[halfelite]

My clamshell Nokia N93 didn't need to be locked. Just close it and the buttons are protected. It also had another great feature - big buttons.

But instead of unlocking the keypad you had to flip it open so still same amount of steps just a different step. And im more thinking the ages of 3310. The n93 is a little more past a basic phone

[Garret02]

Nokia 3310 is a great phone. Best one I've had.

[GoGeTa006]

Really liked nokia back inthe days, before color screens. . . But ever since the smartphone era. . .they dissapeared from my sight with the bad decisions they kept making. . .eeh. . . Capitalist darwinism. . .

[halfelite]

Nokia 3310 is a great phone. Best one I've had.

the 3310 was amazing. You could drop that sucker slam it on the ground and the worst that would happen is you had to snap the covers back on. in extreme cases the cover would crack but 2 bucks later you were back in business.

[megido-rev.M]

Touchscreen keyboard is OK.

[xShadow]

This topic is sad. Partially because some time in the long past I used to actually think that Smart Phones weren't worth it. Then I realized I was being an utter retard. They are very, very worth it. What I'm seeing right now is a bunch of people that apparently don't understand the time they're living in.

That'd be incorrect... I dislike it because it's slower and inefficient. I happily own plenty of things I don't 'want or need' and don't complain about them.

The difference in time is massive, I can speed dial on a typical house phone in well under a second, probably a 1/2s or less if I've used the phone before. On the right non-touch cell phone probably even faster, the blackberry I had ages ago required simply holding a # key down for a fraction of a second. Say '4' was set up as 'bob', simply pick the phone up and hold '4' down for 1/4s and release, it's dialing. Now, without lock screen I can prolly do the same in 1s. That's at least a 100% more time to do the same thing. If you do that 100s of times throughout the day... these are extremes but I'm sure some jobs require making a lot of phone calls. Such people would want a phone that didn't suck at making phone calls.

On your next point I think it's ridiculous to compare an iPhone to a proper calculator or dictionary. It's certainly slower in either case and much slower to get a decent definition than a real dictionary.

This last point is silly... You sound like the type that says 'why worry about how fast a PC is, so what if it takes an extra second to decompress that' or 'it only takes an extra second to load'. It's the sum of doing these things hundreds and thousands of times that make it matter. 

Someone has obviously never been in traffic before; I'm in it 45 minutes a day, and I can tell you that the extra fractions of a second I spend dialing on my smartphone don't mean jack shit.. not to mention that: HEY DIALING THE PHONE FASTER DOESN'T MEAN YOU ACTUALLY CONNECT TO THE PERSON FASTER! How fast you actually get to talking to them depends utterly upon entropy. Also, why are you posting here if you care about wasting time so badly that dialing on the phone is such a big deal? What exactly is your definition of a meaningful activity? Furthermore, what exactly do you consider as the value of your time?

Furthermore, good god no a smart phone is not slower than a dictionary or calculator. God no. Even if you carry a dictionary around with you, the flipping to the right page would take longer than a lookup in a simple mobile app. Also, the calculator is in your hands and working as soon as you open up that app. Smart phones have an app for roughly any information-based action. There is absolutely no point at which you can say that a phone is slower than another counterpart unless it is typing a long post up for a forum or something.. and that can be circumvented by bringing a bluetooth keyboard with you. Smart phones are immensely useful in the information era.

This in no way contradicts my statement that a normal cell-phone is at the apex of simplicity when doing it's core function: calling.

No shit. How would you contradict that? Of course it's at the apex of simplicity. And are you such a simpleton that it's the only thing you can possibly see using it for? You're being a rather closed-minded person when you literally can't for one second even admit that being able to use it for other things has its merits.




To put this into perspective, this is what I use Galaxy S3 for now:
1. Browsing internet when I need to. This is useful for (actual things I have used it for):
a. Online price matching WHILE at the store. Also looking up reviews of said product!
b. Posting here whenever I want, even from work.
c. Checking movie theater showings in the area when me and my friend are driving around and run out of things to do.
d. Looking at new fansub releases on the go, and then even downloading the torrent file and starting the download on my phone (wifi)
e. Paying my bills through a mobile browser.
f. Using nextbus.com in college.
g. Fuck you know, looking up literally anything from anywhere, whenever I'm interested. Includes completely getting past the intranet defenses at work.
2. Watching anime wherever I please, in 720p.
3. Reading and downloading manga wherever I please.
4. Browsing a shit ton of my anime/whatever pictures wherever I want (immensely useful, especially with MMS).
5. Sending said pictures wherever I want.
6. Uploading videos that I just recorded right there directly to youtube. I actually used this for one of my projects during a class where I was recording my microcontroller mini robot project working. I recorded a video of it working and then had it on youtube in split seconds. The time savings was immense. Group partner was impressed.
7. Keeping a notepad with me at all times that has all important notes.
8. Calendar functionality for keeping me updated.
9. Reliable alarm.
10. OH GOD THE GPS I FUCKING LOVE HAVING GPS ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE, without having to lug a GPS around. And it works amazingly well too.
11. Playing games (that are getting more and more advanced), without having to lug around a Vita or some shit. For instance, the Bard game is especially excellent.

Now, pop quiz: take a wild guess at how much time I'm saving and how convenient it is to not have to go dig up the other device for any of that. To literally be able to use this device to do all of that at the same time. Go ahead, start.

I could go on and on, but of course it's a given that a smart phone is more than just a phone these days. It's much more than one. Instead of making fun of that point you can buck up and get used to it and turn it into an advantage for you instead of something you make snarky comments at for no good reason. I can tell you right now that if someone tried to take my GS3 away from me... well I've started fistfights for worse purposes than that.

tl;dr Just because you don't seem to understand how to turn smartphones into an advantage does not mean they have none or are pointless. Far from it. I mean you can sit there and whine about how "no tactile feedback boohoo" this or "I can't dial with one click, I have to do two more boohoo" that... which is really sad to me. Lol.

Part of me regrets posting this because I know there's gonna be some bullshit "hurdur I don't need no stinkin' gps on mah phone" responses flying at me. Lol. It'll be entertaining, though.

[AceHigh]

but of course it's a given that a smart phone is more than just a phone these days.

You said it, it's not a phone. It's a computer.

Also it's a brick. The size and fragility is what I hate the most abut them. I don't care about speed dialing, but you still didn't address the point of it's awkward size when you actually hold it towards your head while speaking, or it getting broken by being dropped, drowned, frozen, used as blunt weapon, opening beer bottles, etc...


Also Galaxy? Fuck, even among smarthpones those are like Ming vases. They break just from looking at them.