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First time building a pc need some advice
Speaker Rob:
--- Quote from: Gh0st93 on September 21, 2013, 07:00:16 PM ---Basically everything has been discussed on literally the first page, So all you would of had to do was read through the first page (Actually basically my posts) And you would see why the things that got chosen were chosen. But hey I'm a nice person and will reiterate why...
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I admit I didn't even bother reading the first page. I just saw that 80 responses had been posted already. :o
I still think he would be fine with 8GB. Even if he is an IT student, I don't expect him to be running a VM 24/7 even while he games, which was more or less what I was talking about. I run a linux VM in the background on my setup that handles a VOIP server and wiki. So it is always on, and more memory is on my list of things to do (just waiting for sales). Even still, it works. The trade off is that I can't allocate as much space for my RAMdisk.
If cost is no object and OP has access to really great deals, sure. I'd opt for the better hardware too. However, he mentioned a budget of $2000, and that just made my heart stop. I rarely spend over $700 for my machines, and they never hiccup on games and last for at least 5 years, until some new standard comes out that requires an updated MB. That is a savings of almost $1500. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't scoff at $1500.
Like I said before, people get wrapped up into performance too much. Will item A outperform item B in this situation over this one? Yes. However, will the person ever notice that during casual use? Probably not.
kitamesume:
--- Quote from: Speaker Rob on September 21, 2013, 06:54:42 PM ---8GB of ram is plenty. The only time you would NEED 16GB is if you are doing one of the following:
* 3D model renderings
* video compiling (authoring DVD's/Blu-rays)
* video editing
* running virtual machines
* running a server (16GB minimum then, recommend 32GB or moreI'm not sure what you are doing that requires more than 8GB of ram, but for casual gaming and computer use 8GB is fine, and by casual gaming I mean playing games for fun, not to benchmark. However, since RAM is one of the cheapest components to upgrade, if you need 16GB to rest easier at night, do it.
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the same thing applies to "2x8GB -> 4x8GB" but you can't go from "2x4GB -> 4x8GB" without trashing the first two 4GB sticks.
PS: just read these - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-ram-endurance,3475.html
(includes details about VRAM) http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ram-memory-upgrade,2778.html
Speaker Rob:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on September 21, 2013, 07:52:35 PM ---the same thing applies to "2x8GB -> 4x8GB" but you can't go from "2x4GB -> 4x8GB" without trashing the first two 4GB sticks.
PS: just read this - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-ram-endurance,3475.html
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Sorry, I don't think I understood what your point was. I think you were saying it is important to know what your final max RAM will be? If that's the case you are 100% correct. That way you don't waste sticks. Anything 16GB and below shouldn't be a hassle, as most DDR3-1600, and above, is found in 4GB sticks (4x4GB = 16GB). A lot of MB's these days even have six memory slots, so you could even go up to 24GB with no problem.
Honemi:
nVidia has released their 700 series price competitive to their 600 series. Their 760, for example, is actually cheaper than their 670 even though they share the same performance. The 770 performs better than the 680 while being cheaper still. Their only overpriced cards are their 780 and Titan. AMD cards are similarly priced. Buying an older card wouldn't be thrifty in this situation.
You can get 16GB of RAM for as low as $125 (1866MHz). That's hardly a $3 difference.
Also, that Monitor. I didn't notice before, but . . . SykoDragon, are you sure you want skimp on your monitor? It'll be your longest lasting component by far. With the money you're considering spending, you could be getting a top of line 27" 1440p monitors ($600). Or a quality 24" 1080p monitors ($300). Your current monitor is not even an IPS (or PLS).
Gh0st93:
--- Quote from: Speaker Rob on September 21, 2013, 08:12:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: kitamesume on September 21, 2013, 07:52:35 PM ---the same thing applies to "2x8GB -> 4x8GB" but you can't go from "2x4GB -> 4x8GB" without trashing the first two 4GB sticks.
PS: just read this - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-ram-endurance,3475.html
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Sorry, I don't think I understood what your point was. I think you were saying it is important to know what your final max RAM will be? If that's the case you are 100% correct. That way you don't waste sticks. Anything 16GB and below shouldn't be a hassle, as most DDR3-1600, and above, is found in 4GB sticks (4x4GB = 16GB). A lot of MB's these days even have six memory slots, so you could even go up to 24GB with no problem.
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I'm sorry but that's fucking hilarious, They don't make motherboards with six ram slots anymore and they haven't for a long time. You can have 2, 4 or 8 ram slots, Dual or quad channels. What kitasume was saying is this. Why buy an 8GB then need another maxing out your slots. Then finding out you need anymore, It's putting your self in a corner that will render the first two sets of ram useless.
--- Quote from: Honemi on September 21, 2013, 08:15:46 PM ---
You can get 16GB of RAM for as low as $125 (1866MHz). That's hardly a $3 difference.
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I was talking about the G.Skill Trident X Series, But if you wanna just pick some random ram then yes the prices won't be anywhere near there.
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