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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #101 on: October 08, 2014, 06:26:56 AM »
Microsoft have always been spying assfucks, but I guess this is the last straw. I'm switching to linux if I need a new OS after Windows 8.0

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #102 on: October 08, 2014, 05:08:05 PM »
The spyware thing will eliminate Microsoft from just about every company in Canada that operates a secure facility.
That would be just about every Government facility and any company that works on "controlled goods".
I suspect a similar issue in the United States.
Would Microsoft really want to commit seppuku over this issue?

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #103 on: October 08, 2014, 05:49:19 PM »
It's a preview, they just don't trust the users to give them enough valuable feedback to improve windows. That's why it is even stated in their privacy policy for installing their os. Nobody's forcing anyone to install windows 10 technical preview and use it like an every day os.

That's why they do that, I don't believe it will be in the final version because why would they, they know that will lose them costumers.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #104 on: October 08, 2014, 06:24:40 PM »
It's a preview, they just don't trust the users to give them enough valuable feedback to improve windows. That's why it is even stated in their privacy policy for installing their os. Nobody's forcing anyone to install windows 10 technical preview and use it like an every day os.

That's why they do that, I don't believe it will be in the final version because why would they, they know that will lose them costumers.

Of course it will not be in the final version and I understand that they want good feedback, but keylogging is not okay whatever you say. Microsoft says it will not use your data for any other purpose than to make windows better and if I would trust Microsoft it would be no problem, but I don't.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #105 on: October 08, 2014, 06:26:51 PM »
Precisely how does our keystrokes help Microsoft? Improve password input?

I don't care wtf micro$oft wants it in there for, I won't be trusting them anymore after this.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #106 on: October 08, 2014, 08:58:11 PM »
Precisely how does our keystrokes help Microsoft? Improve password input?

I don't care wtf micro$oft wants it in there for, I won't be trusting them anymore after this.

Measuring how people use hotkeys, shortcuts, etc, and for improving autocomplete and the built-in dictionary mostly, I believe. You can probably infer quite a lot about how people use a given user interface from a log of all the keys they pressed during that time.

This is quite standard - IIRC they did it in the Windows 7 and 8 technical previews too, and maybe earlier than that, and frankly if you're inputting private information while using a buggy, unstable, highly insecure technical preview, then more fool you. It exists for the sole purpose of testing the latest version of Windows, and really shouldn't be used in any other way - certainly not as your everyday OS.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #107 on: October 08, 2014, 10:57:34 PM »
This is normal for dev builds, it helps the devs improve the build since they originally depended on people submitting reports and logs but most people weren't doing that so they had to find other ways to see what they needed to work on. It's not going to be in the final version... So... ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #108 on: October 09, 2014, 02:46:20 AM »
Now if they could just get rid of those tiles (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻/(.□. \)

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #109 on: October 09, 2014, 03:12:07 AM »
Microsoft have always been spying assfucks, but I guess this is the last straw. I'm switching to linux if I need a new OS after Windows 8.0

This is the last straw for me as well i'm switching to android jellybean, the moment wine becomes an app i'm switching out of this clusterfuck.

Precisely how does our keystrokes help Microsoft? Improve password input?

I don't care wtf micro$oft wants it in there for, I won't be trusting them anymore after this.

This is normal for dev builds, it helps the devs improve the build since they originally depended on people submitting reports and logs but most people weren't doing that so they had to find other ways to see what they needed to work on. It's not going to be in the final version... So... ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

I don't care what they use it for, what if i was using my paypal account during this preview? This is not funny. The internet has already become a big security hole when it comes to identity theft i don't need them selling my information on the internet.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2014, 03:18:55 AM by Meomix »
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #110 on: October 09, 2014, 05:55:12 AM »
Yeah, that's flawed logic. If I am using a preview or not, how do they expect to get the information you claim they are really gathering, and yet ignore some of the most used functions of today.

Its kinda pointless if I can't use everything and see if theres an issue with say, the login function because of something their os does. Do they just ignore that? Of course not. Which means unless someone uses it and tests it works right, they won't know if its working right or not.

Imo, the keylogger should be able to be disabled, for this shit.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #111 on: October 09, 2014, 12:30:59 PM »
calm down guys, its not like someone already reported microsoft stealing their credit card number or something.

i mean seriously you could turn those spywares off, well thats what i heard at least.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #112 on: October 09, 2014, 01:37:39 PM »
With a keylogger, they would potentially be stealing your credit card numbers along with your passwords.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #113 on: October 09, 2014, 02:39:48 PM »
With a keylogger, they would potentially be stealing your credit card numbers along with your passwords.
well yes, and they've done it before too, yet no one reported or sued microsoft for stealing their credit card numbers or passwords.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #114 on: October 10, 2014, 03:17:02 AM »
They'd have to actually read the raw data. Most likely it simply gets passed through some parser.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #115 on: October 10, 2014, 01:55:03 PM »
I don't care what they use it for, what if i was using my paypal account during this preview? This is not funny. The internet has already become a big security hole when it comes to identity theft i don't need them selling my information on the internet.

If you are accessing something like your Paypal account or bank account using a Windows technical preview, then you are, quite frankly, a retard and have no right to complain about the consequences of your own stupidity. It's the same as accessing those accounts using an unencrypted http connection over unsecured wifi in an airport, or somewhere similar where anybody could be eavesdropping on the connection.

Yeah, that's flawed logic. If I am using a preview or not, how do they expect to get the information you claim they are really gathering, and yet ignore some of the most used functions of today.

Its kinda pointless if I can't use everything and see if theres an issue with say, the login function because of something their os does. Do they just ignore that? Of course not. Which means unless someone uses it and tests it works right, they won't know if its working right or not.

Imo, the keylogger should be able to be disabled, for this shit.

Again - if you are using the same password for the technical preview as you use for anything else important, then you are an idiot. You should use a new password - doesn't have to be secure, just one you don't use for anything else - for user accounts.

Seriously, you should be assuming any data you enter into the Windows technical preview - not just for Windows 10, but any version - is at risk of being stolen, whether Microsoft are logging keystrokes or not. It is, by definition, inherently buggy and insecure. That's why it's a technical preview, and not the final release. You should never expect it to keep any information secure, regardless of what the developers are doing.

They'd have to actually read the raw data. Most likely it simply gets passed through some parser.

This. It almost certainly does nothing more than anonymously aggregate the data, so the developers can see information such as how many people use a given hotkey in a given situation, or how many people try and use a hotkey in an application which doesn't support it, and that kind of thing. It probably also parses individual words and keeps an aggregate count of how common different words are, so the autocomplete can better correct errors.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #116 on: October 10, 2014, 02:26:46 PM »
Yup, makes sense.
Users need to be vigilent to keep their sensitive info secure and Microsoft developers are interested in collecting data to debug and refine their product.

From the security standpoint, users need to be aware that test software gathers and disseminates data about their usage to the tiniest detail.  It probably won't be used for nefarious purposes, but users really shouldn't be taking that chance.  Security-wise, the test O.S. is a Holey O.S that should be "worshipped" accordingly.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #117 on: October 10, 2014, 08:14:05 PM »
I don't care what they use it for, what if i was using my paypal account during this preview? This is not funny. The internet has already become a big security hole when it comes to identity theft i don't need them selling my information on the internet.
If you do access that kind of personal information on a preview dev build then that's your own fault for being that dumb.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #118 on: October 12, 2014, 01:18:41 AM »

This is the last straw for me as well i'm switching to android jellybean, the moment wine becomes an app i'm switching out of this clusterfuck.


And every keyboard in android with predictive text logs your keystrokes as well so good luck switching to that as well. Only good part is 3rd party keyboards like swiftkey actually warn you of this. The default android keyboard the warning is somewhere in the long agreement that the keyboard records all keystrokes and this is not on a preview build. Anything with predictive text records your keystrokes.
 
Also sounds like a bunch of people dont understand preview builds.
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #119 on: October 15, 2014, 03:40:12 PM »
Well. I've bitten the bullet. After a few hard drive troubles and me not wanting to go through the whole goddamn dance of installing 7 -> 8 -> 8.1 again I've decided to give win 10 a tryout.

After about a days of use, I'd say... it's what I've expected 8.1 to be. So at least for now, it has a thumbs up from me.