Author Topic: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.  (Read 1524 times)


Offline bloody000

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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2014, 05:19:33 AM »
All you have to do is study it out. Just study it out.

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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2014, 12:30:19 AM »
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304680904579366903828260732

This from one of the commissioners, who disagrees with the new policy.

Well, I guess all of the first amendment rights are going by the wayside. Please don't tell me this is why you voted for Obama.
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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2014, 03:19:16 AM »
Between 'corps are people' and 'death to net neutrality'...

The party of 'less government' is sure acting like Big Brother.

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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2014, 08:40:16 PM »
Now you know why everything costs so bloody much, to pay for the "hired guns" of lobbyists aka lawyers, which hand out pieces of legislation to be passed on a no look 'we have to pass the bill to find out what's in the bill' kind of way. Eliminating competition, driving up prices further, and doing less and less for everyone except them.

Notice that this is in no way restricted to telecommunications. There are now only 4 beef producers, 2 poultry producers in the US currently. Down from dozens as little as 30 years ago. Saw this on Morning Joe a couple days ago.

You might want to also check this out while you're at it. We've all rather lost freedom of choice when all our foods are stuffed with at least one of these ingredients, that we don't really need. But are added to make the product "tastier" or as some say, more addictive. As an example: I found only one salad dressing that did not include sugar, or any type of sugar in the list of ingredients. Every other single one had sugar in it. Gee, no wonder everyone loves salads so much now.
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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2014, 07:50:00 PM »
More SOPA zombies:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140313/17470826574/rebranding-sopa-now-called-notice-staydown.shtml

It's sad how the country that invented the Internet is trying so hard to keep it in stone age.
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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2014, 04:52:30 PM »
More SOPA zombies:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140313/17470826574/rebranding-sopa-now-called-notice-staydown.shtml

It's sad how the country that invented the Internet is trying so hard to keep it in stone age.

Blame the interest groups (MAFIAA) for that. As long as they don't understand why piracy occurs and fight it with the money that's supposed to go to the actual artists they claim to be endorsing, they'll never change. And as long as they can bribe politicians into doing their bidding, a law like SOPA will eventually pass.

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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2014, 03:08:03 PM »
So I read like the first sentence of the article the op linked and realized it's sensationalist misinformation and then decided to, you know - read the actual court opinion of the case.   ::)

Anyways - what's really going on here is the FCC overstepped their bounds.  They attempted to regulate telecommunications in a way that both (1. they had no statutory authority to do so and (2. expressly went against the 1996 Telecommunications Act passed by congress.

tl;dr = FCC claimed that a clause in 47 U.S.C.A. § 1302 giving them power to "remove barriers to infrastructure investment" in the internet enabled them to enforce net neutrality. 

Later in 1996 congress passed the Telecommunications Act that said the FCC could only do this by requiring providers to disclose what they are doing and NOT by forcing them to treat everyone the same; the FCC could NOT classify ISPs as "common carriers" [innkeepers, motel owners, people who are generally required to be open to everyone for the public good - has ancient origins].

FCC tried to make a "penumbra" argument that the spirit of words of a whole bunch of other irrelevant legislation gave them power but the court called bullshit on that.


So I see there are a lot of Europeans here so I'll explain what's going on here - this isn't political in the sense you're thinking.  America really adheres to separation of powers.  Furthermore - more laws are passed by regulatory bodies like the FCC than by congress.  In a sense those regulatory bodies are like a 4th branch for us.  When the regulatory bodies try to do things that go directly against another body - like congress in this instance - it's a BIG no-no.
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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2014, 11:37:33 AM »
So I read like the first sentence of the article the op linked and realized it's sensationalist misinformation and then decided to, you know - read the actual court opinion of the case.   ::)

Anyways - what's really going on here is the FCC overstepped their bounds.  They attempted to regulate telecommunications in a way that both (1. they had no statutory authority to do so and (2. expressly went against the 1996 Telecommunications Act passed by congress.

tl;dr = FCC claimed that a clause in 47 U.S.C.A. § 1302 giving them power to "remove barriers to infrastructure investment" in the internet enabled them to enforce net neutrality. 

Later in 1996 congress passed the Telecommunications Act that said the FCC could only do this by requiring providers to disclose what they are doing and NOT by forcing them to treat everyone the same; the FCC could NOT classify ISPs as "common carriers" [innkeepers, motel owners, people who are generally required to be open to everyone for the public good - has ancient origins].

FCC tried to make a "penumbra" argument that the spirit of words of a whole bunch of other irrelevant legislation gave them power but the court called bullshit on that.


So I see there are a lot of Europeans here so I'll explain what's going on here - this isn't political in the sense you're thinking.  America really adheres to separation of powers.  Furthermore - more laws are passed by regulatory bodies like the FCC than by congress.  In a sense those regulatory bodies are like a 4th branch for us.  When the regulatory bodies try to do things that go directly against another body - like congress in this instance - it's a BIG no-no.
the shit in the past is one thing there is all kinds of treatys and agreements that are trying to be pushed through that will give corporations the right to fuck us in the US and other countries for copyright shit in the name of protecting their copyrights.

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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #50 on: March 23, 2014, 04:41:06 PM »
The few IP law experts I've talked to liken the internet now to the Wild West of the old days in America.  Back then you used to be able to just throw up a fence and say a land is yours and it pretty much was.

It is highly unlikely a resource as powerful as the internet is going to remain as unregulated as it has been for us growing up.

In a few generations we will tell our kids or our grandkids about what the internet was like and they will probably be ahgast.   :P

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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #51 on: March 23, 2014, 11:42:39 PM »
Netflix Decides The Free Market Isn't So Good After All, Wants Government To Step In
Stumbled onto this news, thought you guys might want to read it.
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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #52 on: March 25, 2014, 02:07:30 PM »
Let us boycott the Internet.  Everyone stop using it.

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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #53 on: March 25, 2014, 02:37:25 PM »
Let us boycott the Internet.  Everyone stop using it.
Well, for my it's gonna be easy because I have never used the Internet in my whole life and I'm not gonna do it anytime soon. Internet is sorcery! It's the work of Seitan!!!
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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #54 on: March 27, 2014, 11:28:57 PM »
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Speaking of which, digital TV sucks ass.

Back before the switch when there was some wind or nasty weather there'd just be a little bit of static over the picture every now and then. With digital it just totally locks up and you miss entire segments without sound or picture.
Our country is still trying to implement digital nationwide. . .but agree that the weather does wreck major havoc. . .even so much as a fart can block transmission here lol. . .okay not that bad, but you get it. . .

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The few IP law experts I've talked to liken the internet now to the Wild West of the old days in America.  Back then you used to be able to just throw up a fence and say a land is yours and it pretty much was.
^ this is still happening in our country lol. . .though they say it's ancestral land. . .hell I may as well claim that my Ethnicity dates back even further. . .lol but they won't listen especially if you not African.

And do not think I am being racist or whatnot. . .else I'll just slap you lol
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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2014, 04:38:43 AM »
Grow a spine.  Lol.

I think we should wait to see what the actual Notice of Proposed Rulemaking will contain and who comments what on it.

But if this really matters to you guys - the Federal Register is available online and anybody is free to comment on any proposed rule.  The agency is required by law to respond to all the comments in the finalized rule.

I don't see the NPRM yet so it looks like the FCC hasn't published it yet.  I wager the comments will be more interesting than the rule this time around.

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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2014, 07:48:59 AM »
The few IP law experts I've talked to liken the internet now to the Wild West of the old days in America.  Back then you used to be able to just throw up a fence and say a land is yours and it pretty much was.

It is highly unlikely a resource as powerful as the internet is going to remain as unregulated as it has been for us growing up.

In a few generations we will tell our kids or our grandkids about what the internet was like and they will probably be ahgast.   :P

True, but it's never going be under the control of any one nation - at worst it will be some kind of international body run by the UN or somesuch. Which means we'll still be protected from the draconian whims of countries like the US - non-government organisations (such as the EU, UN, etc) tend, by their very nature, to be more biased in favour of the population as a whole rather than individual nations' political ambitions.

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Re: Say goodbye to freedom of speech America.
« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2014, 01:28:06 PM »
Yeah...that's a pretty bold statement to make and I can't say I agree.

The U.S. has a constitutional right to privacy and a heavy emphasis on independence, small government, and individual freedom.

Make no mistake - there are going to be U.S. Supreme Court challenges to laws that don't even exist yet in the future that will probably impact the entire world.

The main reason why the Court hasn't stepped in thus far is the internet is still a relatively new technology.  It took a long time before they stepped in with things like government wiretapping of telephones and the like.