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Offline megido-rev.M

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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2014, 03:10:43 AM »
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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2014, 03:38:57 AM »
Mr. Miyazfuckuka. Go eat shit. Life moves on. Modern shit takes over. The past is dead. DEAL WITH IT.


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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2014, 04:12:47 AM »
Mr. Miyazfuckuka. Go eat shit. Life moves on. Modern shit takes over. The past is dead. DEAL WITH IT.
umad?

He's right.

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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2014, 04:18:50 AM »
Mr. Miyazfuckuka. Go eat shit. Life moves on. Modern shit takes over. The past is dead. DEAL WITH IT.
umad?

He's right.
newy.

Shit happens. People move on. Others who have fame want to speak their stupidity instead of moving forward. He can't move on. Sucks to be in his shoes.


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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2014, 05:15:48 AM »
He specifically says it is the industries fault. Well, who else would work for 2 dollars an hour for a job that they don't love?
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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2014, 05:26:45 AM »

Mr. Miyazfuckuka. Go eat shit. Life moves on. Modern shit takes over. The past is dead. DEAL WITH IT.

Just because new anime is new and 'takes over' doesnt make it better. 

Miyazaki's critique runs deep because he suggests that new anime is shallow and fake because the writers themselves dont understand the real world (and the people in it).   He also suggests that the creation of anime should be about animating/representing realistically based people.  He hates all of the kawaii and moe and typical modern character designs that permeate the majority of new anime. 

I dont really want to agree with his narrow-minded viewpoint regarding the quality of the entire indsutry itself (many notable titles have come out in the newer generation of anime), but there have definitely been loads of anime lately that directly target the otaku mindset.  A lot of it wouldnt make much sense to those not already acquainted with anime and manga.  It's definitely been an otaku world in the anime industry for quite a few years now.

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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2014, 12:22:41 PM »
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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2014, 12:40:46 PM »
Shit happens. People move on. Others who have fame want to speak their stupidity instead of moving forward. He can't move on. Sucks to be in his shoes.
What's that got to do with the essence of the statement? I'd rather listen to him/want to know his opinion than some no-name. He contributed immensely to the reputation of the Japanese animation throughout the world and was active until the end and not some faggot who crunches numbers and is out of touch with the business.

What do we have? Moeblobs and sexual fanservice bordering on erotica/pornography. Those are elements aimed at otaku, simple as that.

It's a vicious cycle... to generate money they aim at otaku, to get more money they cater even more... but Japan has other, much more difficult problems. The current tendency in the anime/manga industry is just a symptom of those.

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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2014, 01:00:04 PM »
Just as I thought I couldn't respect the man more.

While he is conservative, and make questionable claims at times, the recent trend in anime isn't exactly helping the otakus' reputation.

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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2014, 01:57:27 PM »
The question is how he is using the word otaku.  can't otaku have a different, older, meaning.

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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2014, 02:28:06 PM »
The question is how he is using the word otaku.  can't otaku have a different, older, meaning.

He is using the word otaku in its modern, slang sense - which is exactly what everyone here thinks it means. If you give it a prefix it can also mean an obsessive/nerd/whatever - eg. densha otaku = train otaku = person who is obsessed with trains, such as that guy who decided to go and visit every railway station in japan, for fun. The only other meaning is its older, non-slangy meaning: House. And I don't think he believes the anime industry has too many houses.

Personally, I agree with him and the point he is trying to make entirely.

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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2014, 02:43:52 PM »
The question is how he is using the word otaku.  can't otaku have a different, older, meaning.

He is using the word otaku in its modern, slang sense - which is exactly what everyone here thinks it means. If you give it a prefix it can also mean an obsessive/nerd/whatever - eg. densha otaku = train otaku = person who is obsessed with trains, such as that guy who decided to go and visit every railway station in japan, for fun. The only other meaning is its older, non-slangy meaning: House. And I don't think he believes the anime industry has too many houses.

Personally, I agree with him and the point he is trying to make entirely.

all i can go with is what the source has for a translation and it sounds like hes saying its full of social recluses. and i have no opinion there as I don't know what the industry is like.

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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2014, 03:05:43 PM »
I agree completely.

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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2014, 03:10:24 PM »
I don't like his idiotic antics but he has a point.

I want more substance.
There is sense in nonsense...Just remove the non...
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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2014, 04:29:54 PM »
couldn't agree  more with him.

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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2014, 05:36:30 PM »
The question is how he is using the word otaku.  can't otaku have a different, older, meaning.

He is using the word otaku in its modern, slang sense - which is exactly what everyone here thinks it means. If you give it a prefix it can also mean an obsessive/nerd/whatever - eg. densha otaku = train otaku = person who is obsessed with trains, such as that guy who decided to go and visit every railway station in japan, for fun. The only other meaning is its older, non-slangy meaning: House. And I don't think he believes the anime industry has too many houses.

Personally, I agree with him and the point he is trying to make entirely.

I wholeheartedly agree with Miyazaki.  Much of modern anime coming out now is practically porn.  We all know the industry is capable of much more than that. 

Then there's otakus themselves.  Many of them act like closeted pedophiles and have the social skills of a rock.  I am not in the least bit surprised that people pick on them and single them out for ridicule.  Quite frankly, they deserve it.

Otakudom is a serious societal problem that Japan isn't acknowledging.  Japanese people should be paying a lot more attention to it, as otakus and these shows perpetuate a lot of bad stereotypes of their country to the world at large. 

Then, you even get absolute gems like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1esrBKPRuo

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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2014, 05:44:18 PM »
Without Otakus, who would buy the 60 dollar blu-rays and merchandise for Otaku? Asking to recoup the money via 20 dollar blu rays and advertisements is just begging for bland generic mainstream animes for "normal people". Lets not forget that anime companies pay to stream their show on a t.v. channel, often in terrible times. I actually LOVE the business model of the anime. Big hits get lots of attention and small shows can pull through with just 3000 dedicated fans.
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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2014, 05:44:27 PM »
Honestly i agree. I think that Otaku culture is cool and there's some cool/funny stuff that is made in that vein recently. However the problem is that it's all there is getting made I am a huge Anime fan but lateley i watch maybe 1/2 shows a season the rest is too Otaku or for kids. Hate to say it but the stereotype about Anime being for kids and pervs is becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. I don't mind the fact that this stuff gets made but I want GOOD stuff too. Basically more attack on Titan less Mushibugyou (although that show wasn't terribad it was just more of the same nonsense).
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Re: Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2014, 05:53:16 PM »
Shit happens. People move on. Others who have fame want to speak their stupidity instead of moving forward. He can't move on. Sucks to be in his shoes.
What's that got to do with the essence of the statement? I'd rather listen to him/want to know his opinion than some no-name. He contributed immensely to the reputation of the Japanese animation throughout the world and was active until the end and not some faggot who crunches numbers and is out of touch with the business.

What do we have? Moeblobs and sexual fanservice bordering on erotica/pornography. Those are elements aimed at otaku, simple as that.

It's a vicious cycle... to generate money they aim at otaku, to get more money they cater even more... but Japan has other, much more difficult problems. The current tendency in the anime/manga industry is just a symptom of those.
Of course he has a point. But that's just pure lame looking at how he came out. He doesn't like things changing? Anime is becoming closer to porn? And? If you don't like it, go do something that you like doing. What matters is what the people want. He's the famed one? No he's not. WE are the famed ones. We have the money. You are entitled to whatever opinion and speech you want to make because that makes you, you. The people who watch and view and purchase goods. Not some lame ass old tard who wants to implement his stupidity on us. Rather, he's hurting "BECAUSE IT'S OTAKUS FAULT" blah blah blah and look at where he's pointing his fingers at.

Fanservice - is - awesome. I like it and I enjoy it.

Without Otakus, who would buy the 60 dollar blu-rays and merchandise for Otaku? Asking to recoup the money via 20 dollar blu rays and advertisements is just begging for bland generic mainstream animes for "normal people". Lets not forget that anime companies pay to stream their show on a t.v. channel, often in terrible times. I actually LOVE the business model of the anime. Big hits get lots of attention and small shows can pull through with just 3000 dedicated fans.
^ There you go. The world screams for money. Creativity of all kinds, including the "porn anime" sells. Big advertisments, big boarders, big names, big "everything". Just like how America has the most nukes and calls the shots around the world - which is different in perspective, the anime world doesn't change for the matter that it is created within Japan and it shifts and moves things around.

Can you say that we're going to stick to the same old pattern a decade into the future? Take a look back at the early 2000 and fast forward to where we are now. Technology shaped everything. There are those producers who try to generate money through fanservice, and those with creativity, and those with two-in-one. It's just going to keep getting better and you're gonna have to adapt to it ... however you like, including dropping everything and moving on with your life. And who knows? Maybe we will see real porn anime uncensored in Japan a decade from now, or maybe we'll move towards something else - entirely dependent on what the people want, what the producers do, and how technology evolves.

Miyazaki should relax a bit and enjoy what he does doing. Let me know when "porn anime" stops because of Miyazaki. I'll be on the watch.


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