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Miyazaki's Call Out of Otakus
Bozobub:
I think Miyazaki has a definite point, BUT... Lets look back on anime throughout recent history (say, 30 years or so); how many of those titles really were superior, or in fact, were NOT unbearably eye-cancerish, brain-burning, hideous disasters? I mean, "Ba Oh: The Visitor" is not a new title, nor was the "Orotsukidoji" ("Legend of the Overfiend") series, or many other quite bad titles; "MD Geist", anyone? Nor is fanservice particularly new, as anyone who has seen the "Dirty Pair" movies - or for that matter, "Orotsukidoji", which invented tentacle porn - can attest.
I posit to you all that any particular 10-year "slice" of anime/manga history has, in fact, roughly the same percentage of gems amongst the dross. Now, in more recent years, that sampling can become a lot more overwhelming, as the industry continues to expand and produce more and more titles per year (also from more countries), but I still think the "gems-to-dross" ratio remains fairly constant. I mean, can anyone here REALLY argue that the "Natsume Yuujinchou" series is crap? What about "Macross Frontier"? We all know I could go on, naming many superior titles, right?
I think that Miyazaki is at least partially suffering the "This damn new generation!" syndrome that most older folks fall into. While he does identify some troubling trends in the industry, I think he doesn't acknowledge the positive ones at all.
SchoolDaysEX:
--- Quote from: Bob2004 on February 01, 2014, 09:35:55 PM ---The only reason most anime sales are to otaku is because they're the only ones who would consider watching a lot of the shit that gets made these days. And the reason its so expensive (beyond the fact that DVDs and blurays generally are more expensive in Japan to begin with) is because otaku are few in number, so they have to charge a high price to get the same returns. Also otaku are very easy to trick into paying five times the price for 'special editions' etc.
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I agree, let the otaku vote with their money. As long as this continues there will be more fanservice. No problems with that.
Bob2004:
--- Quote from: shabutie on February 01, 2014, 09:54:40 PM ---I think something people are missing here is he isn't talking about the fanbase.
He's stating the people in the industry, those making the anime, are all otaku's.
They're only making stuff that other otaku's would like, and focusing on their current market, and not the overall picture.
Obviously the industry is going to decline if you ONLY cater towards those who you already have as fans, and don't actively pursue new fans. That's what Miyazaki is getting at here. (Lets face it... If I show some of my non-anime fan friends moe/ecchi based shows, they'll say things like, "Pfft, Typical Japan". But if I were to show them something that digs a bit deeper, they may think differently. Where it's at now, and what's in the spot light now isn't doing much to help that cause.)
But yeah, He's attacking the industry here, not the fanbase (well... he is attacking the fanbase by proxy)
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Actually yeah, you're right. Going and re-reading the original quote, he is simply saying that the people who make most modern anime are otaku, with extremely poor social skills, who avoid people. And because they avoid people, they can't draw people realistically. Which is a fair criticism - many of the otaku I've met (the hard core otaku) do fit that description, to varying extents. There are many who don't, too, of course.
I still agree with him, though it is a bit of a sweeping generalisation, and there are doubtless many exceptions. I still stick by my original post, too.
--- Quote from: SchoolDaysEX on February 01, 2014, 11:04:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Bob2004 on February 01, 2014, 09:35:55 PM ---The only reason most anime sales are to otaku is because they're the only ones who would consider watching a lot of the shit that gets made these days. And the reason its so expensive (beyond the fact that DVDs and blurays generally are more expensive in Japan to begin with) is because otaku are few in number, so they have to charge a high price to get the same returns. Also otaku are very easy to trick into paying five times the price for 'special editions' etc.
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I agree, let the otaku vote with their money. As long as this continues there will be more fanservice. No problems with that.
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If you want to wank over schoolgirls that badly, go watch hentai instead. That's what it's for. But please leave that stuff out of normal TV, since most of us are not interested.
Gh0st93:
Old man seems a little crazy, but he has a bit of a point. Fanservice is gotten to a point where it is way to extreme not the intensity(normally) but the frequency, Things like showing a character has serious sex appeal or two characters are getting together (chemistry) that's fine. That's a part of life but anymore a ghost breeze comes through and skirts go flying like an F5 is ripping through. And if someone is being cute ok but are they really that cute every 30 seconds. I would agree the majority of stuff is either stupid or borderline porn if I want to see tits and ass every other minute then I'll go watch porn.
What happened to shows like The Big O and Cowboy bebop where you could display sex appeal but not drown in it. Fuck look at black lagoon sex and sexuality is a common theme of that show but they actually have a story line and they don't try to beat you over the head with it. Now sometimes a little excessive T&A and "moe" (kind of like "so stupid I can laugh at it.") is nice but to me that's filler whether it be filler in an actual show or I have time to waste so I watch a show with a good deal of it in there. But I don't remember 90% of those shows but the good ones with actual stories and not just constant borderline porn I remember, I want to buy the DVDs and Blu-ray because they are awesome and if I want to re-watch them I can.
SchoolDaysEX:
Can't expect to get a "normal" guy with a wife and kid for 2 dollars an hour. McDonalds workers get 3x more. The otaku illustrators are the reason for variety and you better believe they love their work to be willing to work for that little. If you blame the animation producing studios for choosing to animate fanservice, then start your own anime studio. They choose what to animate what they want.
--- Quote from: Bob2004 on February 01, 2014, 11:26:06 PM ---If you want to wank over schoolgirls that badly, go watch hentai instead. That's what it's for. But please leave that stuff out of normal TV, since most of us are not interested.
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It is usually aired after midnight. No one is forcing anyone to watch anything. If you don't like it then ignore it. If it isn't illegal, then they can pay to advertise their shows on a t.v. channel.
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