Author Topic: Why I feel I have just watched my last anime... (Read 2011 times)

Bozobub · « **Reply #40 on:** February 13, 2014, 01:14:32 AM »

*cough* Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

"Just who the hell do you think I am?!"

It's NOT as serious as most of your choices (in fact, it's quite comedic, much of the time) but if you haven't seen at least the 1st few episodes of TTGL, you're missing out. Amazing action, very good animation, and a plot that almost always out-tops itself every single episode (there are a couple of more reflective eps) without ever quite fully descending into parody = amazing fun, imo.

Plus it has facebots. That's right, bots that are themselves gigantic heads, that have heads! Yes, bizarre recursion references means a good deal to the plot =) .

As noted above, Tiger and Bunny is also quite good, and similarly captures that fine line between comedy and drama (but leaning more to drama than TTGL).

CappinHoff · « **Reply #41 on:** February 13, 2014, 04:56:02 AM »

This is the saddest and funniest rant I've ever read. You can tell you didn't pay much attention to the Anime or do any sort of external research as most of your questions in the spoiler tags have been answered. You all need to know that animes rarely tell the full story that you get in the manga. You need to read them or do some searching to find your answers. But why complain about a show then ended 1 season after 25 ep? It's a new series this is what happens. They put out the manga, make an anime of the manga, end the anime and let the manga proceed on for a bit then repeat with another season. I could see this rant if the anime never finished, but have some patience.

mrdkreka · « **Reply #42 on:** February 13, 2014, 11:12:24 AM »

Quote from: LeijonaSisu on February 12, 2014, 10:22:07 PM

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- Naruto has an incredibly in-depth plot with about a billion twists. Good voice acting (some disagree but I don't), as well as good amounts action/violence, romance and in the later arc; very good visuals amongst a million other things. But sure it's a AAA series with a huge budget.

- By comparison - FMA (at the time of watching there was no second season released) was in lower quality, had infuriating characters (Alphonse), minimal character development and it ended abruptly. Hence the 7/10, to be honest I think it was fair. Apparently 'FMA, Brotherhood' is meant to be a whole ton better and I have, at many times considered going back and re-watching the whole thing from start to finish but I haven't got around to it as generally I've always felt it's better to just start on something new.

There are no second season of FMA, FMA brotherhood is a reboot that adopt the whole manga instead of going down an original route 15-20 episode into it. A thing that would help you finding anime you like would be if you do 5 minutes research on the series, to save you wasting a lot of time watching something that isn't in your taste. Like you would have zero need of re watching FMA, since FMA:B isn't sequel, plus FMA doesn't end abruptly, it finish off with a movie called Fullmetal Alchemist: The Conqueror of Shamballa. Your watching experience would improve a lot if you just looked at the relation of the anime on the MAL page.

I wont comment on your understanding on animation quality and good VA, since there is no reason to discus that, so I will move on to this.

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Fair call, but let me just say what about "Characters" and "Plot holes"? By plot holes I mean what I said about leaving certain specific plot details unanswered (in SNK's case, 95% of them).

Are all plotholes answered in Naruto? no, since it is an ongoing manga it is adopting, expecting SNK to answer the plotholes already now makes no sense, sense with it is also an ongoing manga.

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As many others have said it's incredibly easy to dislike something for one very specific thing that really starts to overshadow everything else. Googling around and seeing no definitive proof that the series will be renewed, with seriously MANY saying that it might not regardless of popularity (we all know that CAN happen). It can be a huge deal-breaker.

Here is the thing
1. when the season 1 finished it had adopted over 60% of the manga. They don't have enough material to adopt for a second 25 episode season.
2. the mangaka have announced that his story will be on 20volumes, where he have completed 11-12 of them so far. The studio will wait to a time, where they can start to adopt the rest, without there being to much time between each season, so they might do either season 2 (25 epsiode) season 3(13 episodes) | season 2 (13 epsiode) season 3(25 episodes) to cover all 20 Vol.
3. Fillers wont work well for this series, together with the manga being a monthly release schedule instead of weekly.
4. You can always, you know read the manga if it is an issue.
5. The mangaka have announced he will be remarking his original ending he had planned, since it would be a bit to dark for an anime adoption. This mean it is very likely the rest will be animated, considering it is really popular.

Since you are "new" to anime you have been mostly watching anime that have finished already, so you aren't used to anime have multiple seasons, where you still have to wait for the next season and hope it gets aired/animated. This seem to be a huge issue for you, when answering of plotholes is important to you, and you aren't interested in reading the material it is adopted from. It also seem to me that complex character isn't something you appreciate, and instead you want more simple characters that develop more personality over time for character development.

If I should make a recommendation, it would be one piece. And my recommendation would be to read the manga, since it would be a good experience for you to try to read the media that often gets adopted together with you saying you had "given up" on anime. To save you some time, yes it is ongoing in the style of naruto, not like the attack on titans.[/list][/list]

Nodame-chan · « **Reply #43 on:** February 13, 2014, 02:24:23 PM »

I don't see how can you compare Naruto and FMA. Okay, they are both shounen, but the difference in the whole theme and genres is huge. There was a time when I was a huge fan of Naruto myself, but those times have passed away with Naruto becoming totally shitty with endless fillers and flahsbacks and manga taking a route I hate. As well as Naruto's animation only leaves you wish for the better. It has gotten even worse since Pain's arc.

Anyways, FMA Original series dates back to 2003, and the animation style and quality for those times is pretty much brilliant. Whilst Naruto got to 2013 and it's animation quality and style keeps going down. On another note, even though FMA Original series made up a story different from that of manga I still find it amazing and heart-breathing.

Now about Brotherhood. Maaaaaaaaaan, it's the top ranking anime on MAL, second top ranking on AP and AniDB. Animation style and quality are splendid, story and character development is even better.

And if you say Alphonse is a shitty character (just like you call Rivaille "prick") you certainly have to overlook the qualities you value in people (be they fictional characters or real people whom you know).

Either way, my point is: don't compare FMA to Naruto.

I am going to say what almost everybody else said, don't watch something based on their rating, read the summary or something before actually watching something. Check the genres.

And finally I'd also recommend you One Piece as well as probably Fairy Tail. Also a long-run series with an ongoing manga.

froody1911 · « **Reply #44 on:** February 13, 2014, 02:34:00 PM »

Fairy Tail, One Piece, Naruto, Bleach: generic endless, brainless, tasteless shows. I don't think anyone over 16 has any business watching either of them.

FMA was merely above average (the art was good though). FMAB was quite good but nothing earth-shattering like everyone always says it is.

True facts.

Mimishiki19 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 13, 2014, 02:51:31 PM »

My God are you still watching and talking about cartoons? How old are you?

Bozobub · « **Reply #46 on:** February 13, 2014, 02:58:41 PM »

Oh, for heaven's sake... Stating "true facts" after an opinion does not make it less of an opinion

. People like or dislike what they will, end of story, and they aren't "wrong" because they do so. No one is "wrong" for disliking, say, beets (ugh), a specific color, or what-have-you; that's an incredibly silly thing to imply. Individual taste, by its very definition, has nothing to do with right and wrong.

Someone stating reasons they don't like a given thing that YOU like, or like something YOU despise is not a personal attack, nor are you likely to change their view simply by stating they're wrong. You may be able to persuade them, but that will require an actual, reasoned argument, not personal insistence, and is also quite likely to fail. Just deal with it, if so, and recognize that your tastes are your own, especially for something as idiosyncratic to American culture as anime/manga.

froody1911 · « **Reply #47 on:** February 13, 2014, 03:06:35 PM »

Quote from: Bozobub on February 13, 2014, 02:58:41 PM

Oh, for heaven's sake... Stating "true facts" after an opinion does not make it less of an opinion .

Makes about as much telling people that they should watch an anime they didn't like "more closely", don't you think?

The 'true facts' thing was sarcasm. You'd catch it if you knew me from a different part of the forums where I remind people far too often that they should treat their statements subjectively and not objectively.

Bozobub · « **Reply #48 on:** February 13, 2014, 03:11:49 PM »

Your statement had nothing in it to imply it was sarcasm, and was furthermore a flat statement about your opinion; I'll apologize, but you should take into account that most people won't search for your posts in other threads/forums before responding - lol...

froody1911 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 13, 2014, 03:25:18 PM »

Um I couldn't give less of shit what people think of my post on a forum and you shouldn't feel you have anything to apologize for.

But here's a thought: if I had said something you happened to agree with, possibly praising one of your favorite anime, and appended it with 'True facts', that probably wouldn't have provoked your short outburst from earlier.

Just trying to say that there's something in this thread that has immensely annoyed me: the fact that numerous people have focused more on defending anime criticized in this thread, rather than being constructive and making recommendations.

Bozobub · « **Reply #50 on:** February 13, 2014, 03:49:08 PM »

a) You care enough to remark upon it. Twice.

b) Sure, you said something I disagreed with, but it was not your opinion of the anime in question; I at least partially agree with your opinions of those series, in fact, although I enjoyed all of them at least a bit. What I disagree with is flat statements of opinion as fact, and I said exactly that.

c) I see your point re: constructive responses here, but I think your response isn't helping at all in that respect. In fact, YOU didn't recommend a damn thing, yourself, now did you?

What I object to most, is the pissed-off tone many of the responses here have taken. If the guy's tastes have changed, so be it! Feel free to say why you think he (or any of the respondents) are wrong, but lose the butthurt, people; it convinces no one of anything but your own churlishness.

froody1911 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 13, 2014, 04:34:34 PM »

<sigh>

I did in fact make some suggestions on the first page of this thread.

Bozobub · « **Reply #52 on:** February 13, 2014, 04:38:34 PM »

...And then followed it with an unconstructive statement.

LeijonaSisu · « **Reply #53 on:** February 13, 2014, 06:01:33 PM »

Quote from: mrdkreka on February 13, 2014, 11:12:24 AM

There are no second season of FMA, FMA brotherhood is a reboot that adopt the whole manga instead of going down an original route 15-20 episode into it. A thing that would help you finding anime you like would be if you do 5 minutes research on the series, to save you wasting a lot of time watching something that isn't in your taste. Like you would have zero need of re watching FMA, since FMA:B isn't sequel, plus FMA doesn't end abruptly, it finish off with a movie called Fullmetal Alchemist: The Conqueror of Shamballa. Your watching experience would improve a lot if you just looked at the relation of the anime on the MAL page.

To be honest, I was never interested enough in FMA to do much (if any) research on anything to do with it. I watched the original FMA. I wasn't all that entertained and then I just left it. I was almost certain that there was something to tie it all off though for example:

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But seriously. We're talking about something I watched close to NINE years ago.

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Fair call, but let me just say what about "Characters" and "Plot holes"? By plot holes I mean what I said about leaving certain specific plot details unanswered (in SNK's case, 95% of them).
Are all plotholes answered in Naruto? no, since it is an ongoing manga it is adopting, expecting SNK to answer the plotholes already now makes no sense, sense with it is also an ongoing manga.

Actually Naruto is starting to come quite full circle.. have you watched Shippuden lately? No anime can every come completely full circle but compared to many others I could list, Naruto is definitely one of those animes that goes above and beyond others in order to bring every little tiny detail to light. Having said that, I realise SNK isn't completed yet (not even the manga) and I already said it was perhaps an unfair assumption to be left with the same kind of revelation that Code Geass R1 left its watchers with.

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As many others have said it's incredibly easy to dislike something for one very specific thing that really starts to overshadow everything else. Googling around and seeing no definitive proof that the series will be renewed, with seriously MANY saying that it might not regardless of popularity (we all know that CAN happen). It can be a huge deal-breaker.
Here is the thing
1. when the season 1 finished it had adopted over 60% of the manga. They don't have enough material to adopt for a second 25 episode season.
2. the mangaka have announced that his story will be on 20volumes, where he have completed 11-12 of them so far. The studio will wait to a time, where they can start to adopt the rest, without there being to much time between each season, so they might do either season 2 (25 epsiode) season 3(13 episodes) | season 2 (13 epsiode) season 3(25 episodes) to cover all 20 Vol.
3. Fillers wont work well for this series, together with the manga being a monthly release schedule instead of weekly.
4. You can always, you know read the manga if it is an issue.
5. The mangaka have announced he will be remarking his original ending he had planned, since it would be a bit to dark for an anime adoption. This mean it is very likely the rest will be animated, considering it is really popular.

Since you are "new" to anime you have been mostly watching anime that have finished already, so you aren't used to anime have multiple seasons, where you still have to wait for the next season and hope it gets aired/animated. This seem to be a huge issue for you, when answering of plotholes is important to you, and you aren't interested in reading the material it is adopted from. It also seem to me that complex character isn't something you appreciate, and instead you want more simple characters that develop more personality over time for character development.

If I should make a recommendation, it would be one piece. And my recommendation would be to read the manga, since it would be a good experience for you to try to read the media that often gets adopted together with you saying you had "given up" on anime. To save you some time, yes it is ongoing in the style of naruto, not like the attack on titans.[/list][/list]

I don't like One Piece due to the 'slowness' and ridiculousness of long dramatic sections that seem to hold episodes in check forever. I read the first 15 books or so and then watched something like 50 episodes and realised they hadn't even gotten past the 6th book. The anime is far too slow, far too drawn out and the 20 second close-ups of people's faces and expressions to make up for a lack of script and to drag the episodes on so much just isn't my type. Also I don't like the animation style at all and the voice acting is actually kinda sub-average too. So thanks but I've already taken up all of the animes in the last 2 posts recommended to me on the 2nd page of this thread. Those will do for now and I've taken up 2 of my own too that will hopefully be good.

I appreciate the constructive criticisms though really. I want to enjoy anime as much as the next person.

Ozzaharwood · « **Reply #54 on:** February 13, 2014, 06:43:30 PM »

Honestly, my advice to you is to find something else to do other than watch anime.

I've read all of the posts in this thread so far, and it seems like you have a lot of problems with a lot of anime. If you don't like something, don't watch it. Stick with Naruto, and if something else ever catches your attention try it out. But honestly, I don't think you'll like the majority of anime just because you don't like the majority of the critically acclaimed anime. If you don't like some of the highest rated stuff, it's hard for me to believe you'll like many of the others.

Good luck, and I hope you find some stuff you actually like. That, and I hope your taste will develop as you watch more and you'll be able to watch a broader variety of shows. If you are stingy about what you watch or judge a show based on it's first few episodes, you will miss out on a lot of great anime.

mrdkreka · « **Reply #55 on:** February 13, 2014, 07:30:48 PM »

Quote from: LeijonaSisu on February 13, 2014, 06:01:33 PM

Actually Naruto is starting to come quite full circle.. have you watched Shippuden lately? No anime can every come completely full circle but compared to many others I could list, Naruto is definitely one of those animes that goes above and beyond others in order to bring every little tiny detail to light. Having said that, I realise SNK isn't completed yet (not even the manga) and I already said it was perhaps an unfair assumption to be left with the same kind of revelation that Code Geass R1 left its watchers with.

So if it stopped right now at the episode it is at the moment there would be no plotholes ? If yes then there can't be much plot going on. (I don't where it is in the plot, since I had to drop it, because it was so bad in its story telling and animation just kept degrading)

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I don't like One Piece due to the 'slowness' and ridiculousness of long dramatic sections that seem to hold episodes in check forever. I read the first 15 books or so and then watched something like 50 episodes and realised they hadn't even gotten past the 6th book. The anime is far too slow, far too drawn out and the 20 second close-ups of people's faces and expressions to make up for a lack of script and to drag the episodes on so much just isn't my type. Also I don't like the animation style at all and the voice acting is actually kinda sub-average too.

I recommended you to read the manga, I did not recommended you to see the anime.

After having read all your comment I have come to the conclusion, you do poor research on what to watch, you don't know what animation quality actually is, same goes for good voice acting.
My honest opinion I think you should just drop anime after you have finish watching Naruto, since you only want anime with simple character development and plot, and a lot of those that have been recommended will have it on a more complex level than what you desire. So to make sure you don't waste anymore time on anime just drop Anime after you finish naruto.

Nodame-chan · « **Reply #56 on:** February 13, 2014, 07:38:36 PM »

Quote from: Ozzaharwood on February 13, 2014, 06:43:30 PM

That, and I hope your taste will develop as you watch more and you'll be able to watch a broader variety of shows. If you are stingy about what you watch or judge a show based on it's first few episodes, you will miss out on a lot of great anime.

It's actually funny that in my case when I had watched only around 150 series I thought everything is so amazing I have to give them 5+. But now with 300+ series on my list I feel like 90% of what I've watched is crap xD
Tastes change with what you watch and how much you watch. Idk.. You find something really awesome and what you thought was awesome before seems lame. I just think you need to either watch more or quit.

As for Naruto.. and the "plotholes"... What the hell would you call when anime gets to a critical moment and tadadadam! Next 20 episodes or so FILLERS!

jaybug · « **Reply #57 on:** February 14, 2014, 01:22:22 AM »

Why do I feel that there is a cry for help somewhere in this thread. And that somehow anime is a compulsive addiction akin to that of heroin?

I suppose I still watch anime because of my love of the art form of animation. That and the storytelling. Because I cannot stand prime time TV in the US. Not that I watch it all that much, because I work in the evenings, and have for such a long time.

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #58 on:** February 14, 2014, 02:09:01 AM »

I'm certainly not watching another show with more than 10 straight eps of filler.

SchoolDaysEX · « **Reply #59 on:** February 14, 2014, 02:41:23 AM »

Some sites on the internet have etiquette, Bakabt included (maybe). While I don't support trashing the OP, he kind of deserves it.

1. OP shows up in a forum to complain about anime and says he will quit from it. If you wanted to quit, just do so. Publicly announcing it makes it seem like you are a self centered elitist. He didn't even intend to have a discussion.

2. He makes a bad thread in a wrong section. That's enough to disgruntle forum goers.

3. He talks shit about anime. On an anime forum.

Everyone here should just let this guy quit anime. Leave him to his Avatar and Naruto. No one would miss him.