Tiffany's Murder Game - Round Seven: Game over, man, game over!

[Yuu Jirou]

Haqua ... can't resist... i'm voting for .....

Ahh back, i'll wait for a while aswell. No clues at all

[froody1911]

I'm an innocent voyeurist, don't use my name as a means to use me as a scapegoat for your murderous intents.... I'm voting on you now........ Yes, don't pretend I didn't see you with that poor little pony..... Painting a rainbow on it and dying it's tail pink....

Excessive usage of "...", now where have I seen that before? Hmm.

* a ghost floats away~

[Tiffanys]

does the hitlist contain the Assassins themselves as well?

It did but since I didn't have any conditions written for what happens if an assassin attacks another assassin I removed them from it.

But that does bring up another thing that I just noticed that I missed... what if a possessed or resurrected paladin/nun is forced to attack an assassin... I only considered them targeting them to watch them but if being controlled and having their weapons that may be an entirely different story. Looks like I'm going to have to add a couple extra what-ifs.

Added these under assassin targeted by under states...

Resurrected Assassin: Target dies.
Possessed Assassin: 50/50 either possessed assassin or assassin dies.
Resurrected Paladin/Nun (Evil): 40% chance that assassin dies, 60% chance resurrected paladin/nun dies.
Possessed Paladin/Nun: 30% chance that assassin dies, 70% chance that possessed dies. 

[MrIntruder]

I'm an innocent voyeurist, don't use my name as a means to use me as a scapegoat for your murderous intents.... I'm voting on you now........ Yes, don't pretend I didn't see you with that poor little pony..... Painting a rainbow on it and dying it's tail pink....

Excessive usage of "...", now where have I seen that before? Hmm.

* a ghost floats away~

You'd be using excessive ellipses after watching that pony. If you want you could haunt it and see for yourself?

[lololitas]

Never take candy from strangers

[bunalz]

It did but since I didn't have any conditions written for what happens if an assassin attacks another assassin I removed them from it.

I hope you'd (and we could also help on that) somehow think of one at one point (maybe in the next round?), because...

If the Assassin attacks...

Role:
Demon: Target dies.
Mad Scientist: Target dies.
Paladin/Nun: Target dies.
Vigilante: If they still have a bullet, you die. If they do not then they die.
Populace: Target dies.

State:
Watched: Target dies.
Resurrected: Target dies... again.
Possessed: Target dies.

... the Assassins' kills are guaranteed (Vigilante will die in two rounds). If my theory is right, (all active) Assassins will continue accepting the contracts until one or more combinations of the following happen:

1. Demon is dead
2. Mad Scientist is dead
3. There are only a certain number of players left (most of which are Assassins)

Shapeshifter Victory - Eliminate the Paladin, Nun, all Assassins, and Vigilante (or otherwise render the Vigilante bullet-less). The rest of the players are irrelevant.
Demonic Victory - Eliminate the Paladin, Nun, and Populace.
Mad Scientist - (Evil) If either the Shapeshifter or Demon win, so will you. (Good) If the Populace wins, so will you. In other words, be on the correct alignment when the game wins. (True Evil) Be evil and eliminate the Shapeshifter, Demon, the Protectors, and the Populace. This is the only victory in which Mad Scientist Victory would be announced.
Assassin - Survive until any other victory condition is achieved.
Populace - Demon and Shapeshifter are eliminated. If the Mad Scientist is evil then they must be eliminated as well. Note: Shapeshifter cannot be killed by Populace - they depend on any of the other roles to kill it. Protectors win if Populace wins.

9. Once a contract is accepted an assassin cannot later go back and decide not to go through with it, even if it's on the same night before the news has been posted. So think very carefully over your decision. An assassin can never go back on a contract once accepted and will never be offered it again once rejected.

Assuming that the Assassins wanted to win all the way by themselves, it'll be not strange if they would want to see all three conditions achieved. However, there is also a slight chance that, one by one, the Assassins will stop accepting contract after only the Demon is dead, because from the "clue" that was "left", the Mad Scientist may be on a Good Alignment.

EDIT: However, the problem to the Assassins is they don't have any way of knowing which one of them have stopped accepting the contracts (apart from counting the number of assassinations). So, other than taking risks, they would rather "skip" the thinking part and just accept the contracts safely.

Now that I think of it, if the above scenario were to happen, does the game end after the Demon dies? According to the Victory/Defeat Conditions, that's what I can conclude.

If however, the game does not end, then that is when the Assassins become truly overpowered. Even if the Mad Scientist tried to fight back with their zombies, their resurrections are not always guaranteed (50% chance), and for the fact that the Assassins' actions supersede others since the Shapeshifter is dead. (Not sure on the underlined one)

If no, then I guess it can't be helped. It's just an opinion of mine, and I don't like forcing anyone. :)

Added these under assassin targeted by under states...

Noted.

[Ashall]

So can we lynch a resurrected before they kill someone, out of curiosity. I know there is a chance there is good mad scientist but it may prevent a death.

[froody1911]

^ Pretty sure it would be a better idea to try and eliminate the demon before you resort to that.

[harpy]

Well that's no fun. I'm dead ;(
What did I ever do wrong Mr/Ms Killer ;(

[Tiffanys]

I suppose you could but if the Mad Scientist wanted to be a dick they could rez the shifter and force you to lynch him every single day which wouldn't even matter since a lynching couldn't kill the shifter anyways and they could just activate their special and go missing... which I suppose would mean they could just revive them every 3 days.

Seeing as to how the shifter is the only other player that kills aside from assassins, I'm not sure what good it'd do unless you somehow feel threatened by being protected... lol
edit: @QuestionMaster5000™

If a vigilante with a bullet is targeted then the assassin dies. It'd depend on whether other assassins accepted that same contract.

The game will end if the demon dies if the mad scientist is good otherwise the populace will have to kill the mad scientist as well.

Also, seeing as to how the shapeshifter killed someone before being killed I'm pretty sure your logic stayed out in the sun too long and lost some brain cells. xD...

[bunalz]

@QuestionMaster5000™

...lol

Also, seeing as to how the shapeshifter killed someone before being killed I'm pretty sure your logic stayed out in the sun too long and lost some brain cells. xD...

Hence, that's why I said that since the Shapeshifter (the only one who can act faster than the Assassins) is dead, that will leave the Assassins to dominate the game in terms of agility. And also:

Q4. In what order do the actions take place between the different roles? Defensive actions before offensive, and order of PMs otherwise?

4 - that's an incredibly in-depth question and I can't answer it easily without having even solidified the roles or written the rules

The roles, I presume, are now completed, and I don't see the specific order other than Shapeshifter>Assassin, Vigilante w/ Bullets>Assassin, and Resurrected>Assassin (though, the Assassin lives).

Well, unless, it wasn't the case, I stand corrected then.

[Bob2004]

So I guess this is probably the end of the line for our vigilante. He'll presumably be possessed and die within one or two rounds, I guess. Poor guy

Also, I have no idea who to vote for, given the lack of clues (the assassins seem basically untraceable to me), so I guess I'll abstain for now. Maybe I'll hop on a bandwagon later if it looks interesting.

[bunalz]

[...]given the lack of clues (the assassins seem basically untraceable to me)[...]

In fact, all three are untraceable... at least to me. :/

Well that's no fun. I'm dead ;(
What did I ever do wrong Mr/Ms Killer ;(

Blame the hitlist. The Assassins almost have no motive at all, which is the source of my headache.

[gits]

So I guess this is probably the end of the line for our vigilante. He'll presumably be possessed and die within one or two rounds, I guess. Poor guy

Also, I have no idea who to vote for, given the lack of clues (the assassins seem basically untraceable to me), so I guess I'll abstain for now. Maybe I'll hop on a bandwagon later if it looks interesting.

Can't the vigilante just show himself, and the nun protect him? As if I understand the rules, and paladin died, the nun assumed paladin's role?

[Tiffanys]

Well, the assassins do get a choice whether they accept their contract or not. I mean technically there could be no more assassinations for the rest of the game if they all declined all further contracts, but something tells me that it'd probably be more fun to kill.

@QuestionMaster5000™

...lol

Also, seeing as to how the shapeshifter killed someone before being killed I'm pretty sure your logic stayed out in the sun too long and lost some brain cells. xD...

Hence, that's why I said that since the Shapeshifter (the only one who can act faster than the Assassins) is dead, that will leave the Assassins to dominate the game in terms of agility. And also:

Q4. In what order do the actions take place between the different roles? Defensive actions before offensive, and order of PMs otherwise?

4 - that's an incredibly in-depth question and I can't answer it easily without having even solidified the roles or written the rules

The roles, I presume, are now completed, and I don't see the specific order other than Shapeshifter>Assassin, Vigilante w/ Bullets>Assassin, and Resurrected>Assassin (though, the Assassin lives).

Well, unless, it wasn't the case, I stand corrected then.

There is no order. It's just a whim, really. On the first day it's best if more people die, especially seeing as to how it's a killer getting taken out. In general I'll usually opt for more people to be killed when possible, assuming they're on the wrong end of chance.

So I guess this is probably the end of the line for our vigilante. He'll presumably be possessed and die within one or two rounds, I guess. Poor guy

Also, I have no idea who to vote for, given the lack of clues (the assassins seem basically untraceable to me), so I guess I'll abstain for now. Maybe I'll hop on a bandwagon later if it looks interesting.

Can't the vigilante just show himself, and the nun protect him? As if I understand the rules, and paladin died, the nun assumed paladin's role?

Seeing as to how the demon clearly already knows who it is, that would be the logical thing to do seeing as to how it's not as if the demon can double know who he is... 

And seeing as to how both the nun/paladin identities are revealed the vigilante could even PM their identity to one of them.

[bunalz]

Can't the vigilante just show himself, and the nun protect him? As if I understand the rules, and paladin died, the nun assumed paladin's role?

Correct. Also, my reasoning on why the Mad Scientist may be good is:

Q14. Can Mad Scientist attack (with the Resurrected) and revive in one turn?

The resurrection and attack always happens in the same turn.

Since there is no mention regarding a Zombie attack, then we could assume that Dex_Belle is now revived as a full-fledged Paladin with three-day lifespan.

Speaking of Paladin, did Sebur watch over 1000mAh before the game started?

Since mAh is presumed innocent by me and froody is a possible suspect, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to vote for froody.

And Jesus Christ @ the votes.

I doubt mAh is the killer, but I guess we'll find out.

EDIT: Oh, I think Sebur found out that 1000mAh was not a Vigilante and so decided to watch TiYlER instead the next day.

[asermax]

How lucky is this damn demon :| maybe Ty was onto something about someone abusing their admin powers...

[froody1911]

I'm pretty sure I know 2 assassins. But I'm dead so I can't say who

[bunalz]

I'm pretty sure I know 2 assassins. But I'm dead so I can't say who

And what if the Mad Scientist revives you? Would you spill the beans then?

[SeventyX7]

If I get revived, I will spill ALLLLL the beans in your pretty little heads....