Borderline Hentai category and "Adult content" filtering

[Zuriki]

On the new releases list there is this torrent (http://bakabt.me/176629-nana-to-kaoru-arashi-nana-to-kaoru-black-label.html) which contains some sexually explict images. It's tagged Borderline Hentai because it doesn't contain genetalia (I'm guessing) but is clearly unsuitable for minors because of it's sexual content alone. Yet this is not filtered out by the "Adult content" filter because it is not categorised as "Hentai Manga".

The torrent description itself would appear to support my view that it should be filtered:

Categories: Adult, BDSM, Borderline Hentai, Comedy, Ecchi, Mature, Psychological, Romance, School Life, Seinen.

I'm suggesting that "Borderline Hentai" should be filtered with "Adult content". Discuss?

[lololitas]

Actually is sexual content unsuitable for minors?

As long as it doesn't contain genitalia or shows said genitalia interacting with each other I wouldn't consider it unsuitable for minors. Actually it might be more suitable than certain violence filled series. I don't see how this is any different from those major HBO productions that are nicely filled with sex scenes. I also don't see the difference to those teen romantic novels which also often contain sex scenes. this is just a manga equivalent of maybe something like 50 shades of grey, which a five year old could technically buy at most bookstores I know off. Sure the content here is fetishistic, but imo does not justify a hentai tag yet. This would probably be considered 16+ in germany if it has some violence in it. Dunno about you brits.

On the other hand, since we go by US standards here (I think), this might be considered offensive to minors. But the US is the opposite of germany in that regard: exploding heads: 12+, an intense kiss with groping 30+

[SeventyX7]

This is a complaint about a line that can only be arbitrary.  If we move it to borderline hentai, then why not ecchi?  Why not pantsu?  Why not any anime that airs after 10:00 in Japan?

The current line at full-blown pornography is sufficient and most representative of how it is in Japan.

[futz]

I don't see why it shouldn't be considered. I mean, sure it seems somewhat arbitrary if you don't think about it (or think too much), but all I see is someone requesting to add borderline hentai in the filter list. And the only reason I see this request would be shut down, is that the only BBT web developer (I think there's only Brunoais, forgive me if I'm wrong) has more important things to do than coding a filter for that.

But still, even though I don't care at all about filtering things, I wouldn't see a problem of adding a line to filter out "Borderline Hentai", along with real hentai. I think it was a bit badly explained by OP, the main argument should be that, borderline hentai content can be quite close to hentai yet it cannot be filtered out. Can we please have a filter for this tag along with real hentai?

[Sherlock]

I'm not too sure about that. There are lots of things that are not suitable for viewing, not just sex as is depicted by Hentai (or near sex, as depicted by Borderline Hentai). One can argue that hardcore gore items need to be filtered out first - sometimes, some of it is not suitable for viewing even by a young adult. It is a matter of perception, various people have various views.

For the categories containing Adult, that is just cause I copied some categories from NtK original torrent, which in turn was copied from M-U, which was because I was too lazy to write categories on my own. M-U classifies anything slightly different as Adult/Mature, so I wouldn't put too much store by it.

The issue with filtering is this.. Another person (me?) can come forward and say we'd need another filter to include gore and blood, because that is definitely not suitable. If you add on stuff to the filter, then the main search of manga will show very less, and it won't stop as new things can keep on getting included based on different people's perception.

That in a nutshell is why keywords are present. One can view the keywords before opening the torrent, and thus be sufficiently warned. Or, incase of wanting to remove Borderline Hentai items completely, adding a parameter in search like so can help..

Another reason for this is that not all keywords will be included, especially in older torrents. Take the example of Nana to Kaoru, other than the manga, I don't think other torrents of it have the Borderline Hentai tag. I haven't seen the LA of it, so dunno if it deserves it or not, but you get the idea.. Adding a filter is not foolproof in this case. It works well for hentai, because you're supposed to categorise it as hentai before uploading, and thus segregation becomes easy. The idea of a filter is just as easily done by adding a '+-borderline' tag, or something similar, to weed out stuff you don't like..

Just my two cents about it..

[Al_Sleeper]

http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=tag&relid=774

[Sherlock]

http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=tag&relid=774

>_> Not exactly sure how it'd work here.. For that to be implemented, I'm thinking you'd have to change how the tracker works..

[Al_Sleeper]

I don't mean it has to be implemented on BakaBT. I just posted it as an example that various people find VERY different things to be inappropriate for children. For example, Madoka has nothing to do with borderline hentai.

[Krudda]

I'm seeing what the OP says as pretty valid though, not asking to filter every possible thing that could be considered inappropriate for minors, just asking to add filtering on near-sexually explicit content as well, since, minus a few acts, it's almost identical to all-out sex scenes.

Obviously, the filter is there so people don't need to manually add "+-borderline%20hentai" to their searches

[Al_Sleeper]

And on the subject of classification: Bokurano has explicit sex scenes with a minor and uncensored female genitalia, but it is not labeled as hentai.

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[lololitas]

maybe add an option when signing up to only show Family Friendly stuff? I believe we already have a tag in place, right? This option can then include all soundtracks and anything that contains the tag "family friendly"

In general if you want to protect your children from arguably harmful things on the net, letting them browse the internet unobserved/limited by a word blacklist is generally a bad idea. Not to mention you are letting them onto a tracker full of stuff that is in a legal greyzone anyway.

If you want children to do things by themselves, don't limit them in their actions.


Also how are you going to differentiate borderline stuff from normal hentai? I believe the users consuming hentai would complain if every other title they download is only borderline because they did not check the tags beforehand. This would be the same situation you are in now, just reversed. And to worsen things now add gorey stuff in there as well. Now if you say they could've checked the tags, then why didn't you just check the tags.

[Al_Sleeper]

maybe add an option when signing up to only show Family Friendly stuff? I believe we already have a tag in place, right? This option can then include all soundtracks and anything that contains the tag "family friendly"

It will work fine until you encounter something like Ringing Bell, Sirius, Little Mermaid or Unico, which are family friendly movies with some decidedly family unfriendly scenes . Sanrio was a master of kodomo horror genre .

[from]

WHAT any person want to filter on is, naturally, specific to that person. Some may want to filter away borderline hentai, some may want to filter away yaoi, some may want to filter away violence, et cetera.

My suggestion would then be a field/page in the user profile where the user can select any tags (of those available/used on the site) they wish not to see listed, and this filter is then automatically added to any searches made by that user. I.e., "+-borderline%20hentai" (for instance) is applied to their searches, only perhaps in POST rather than GET, since it'd look nicer.

[Osmo]

I think it's good to keep it away from the minors as a foremost.

But I also think manga like this is rare, and in a league of it's own.Not everyone wants to view crass hentai all the time, there needs to be alternative.

[juggalojohn]

I think it's good to keep it away from the minors as a foremost.

Lets be honest. When has a filter stopped a pirate from getting what they want. When I look up ecchi I expect boobs. no matter how old you are thats is what is expected. 


isnt there a age clause when you sign up? I doubt hordes of children are logging into bbt to look up japanese words just to see tits. I think if you are old enough to figure out how to torrent you old enough for porn or borderline porn.

I still think the hentai filter is a bit silly.

If we were to filter where would the line be. At some point or another most modern anime have some sort of ecchi element in it. wither its a well placed dick joke or the animes perv walking in all the female characters. also would we censor all nudity, or is nudity as a art still allowed?



For those who just done want to see boobs

Tred not where is unwanted.

[1000mAh]

I think that the filter we already have is enough, as stated above"if you're old enough to torrent, you're old enough for porn"
I mean, when I looking for porn I'm looking for porn, when I'm looking for stuff to waste my time on, I definitely don't want the borderline H stuff filtered out, there actually might be a plot in the series.
In this way, they are no different from the day time soap operas that housewives and my mom watch, full of borderline porn.

+ If a parent lets their children onto a site like this anyways, I think the kid is screwed already, no saving that, and an adult looking for something for their kids to watch us fully able to pick out the stuff s/he wants their children to watch/read. For this, the current filter is plenty enough.

Sure I do agree the borderline hentai and gore are not genres suitable for children, but I see no problem youth watching them, if they like it, it is not probably gonna damage them anymore.

So, let the parents do their filtering for their kids, youth will like what they lime and watch it on their own accord. I mean, if parents let their kids play games like CoD, etc, the kids are old enough for orderline H.

So, the only thing enough to be filtered out is straightforward sex.

[Krudda]

I think that the filter we already have is enough, as stated above"if you're old enough to torrent, you're old enough for porn"
I mean, when I looking for porn I'm looking for porn, when I'm looking for stuff to waste my time on, I definitely don't want the borderline H stuff filtered out, there actually might be a plot in the series.
In this way, they are no different from the day time soap operas that housewives and my mom watch, full of borderline porn.

+ If a parent lets their children onto a site like this anyways, I think the kid is screwed already, no saving that, and an adult looking for something for their kids to watch us fully able to pick out the stuff s/he wants their children to watch/read. For this, the current filter is plenty enough.

Sure I do agree the borderline hentai and gore are not genres suitable for children, but I see no problem youth watching them, if they like it, it is not probably gonna damage them anymore.

So, let the parents do their filtering for their kids, youth will like what they lime and watch it on their own accord. I mean, if parents let their kids play games like CoD, etc, the kids are old enough for orderline H.

So, the only thing enough to be filtered out is straightforward sex.

All well and good, and mostly the same thoughts I hold on the matter, but...
I think you need to go watch maken ki (or at least, the ovas)
Albeit not actually showing what happens, it's pretty obvious their is sex or similar happening in the story. In some cases the characters have what can only be described as an orgasm, the only thing stopping it becoming all out hentai, is the camera angle.

[1000mAh]

^  I've watched all of the eps on Maken-ki and all of the OVA's
I know what it is, but my opinion still stands.

[zherok]

I still think the hentai filter is a bit silly.

I think of it more as a category than a filter. Though stuff crosses the line, there's usually a difference between hentai and non-hentai. Not everyone wants to wade through porn just to look at manga or anime.

[SeventyX7]

I agree with 1000mAh, let the parents decide what their kids illegally pirate.