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Offline Osmo

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Host clubs in japan
« on: May 12, 2014, 09:07:17 PM »
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bL1pA0McgvM

I watched this pretty interesting documentary on host clubs in japan. It opened my eyes to needs we have as humans, that are based around love rather then sex and putting a price on it.

Anyway, what do you guys think( once you've watched it) :p
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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2014, 09:16:21 PM »
Too bored to watch it all.I'll rely on my gintama experience to take part in this thread.Honestly I find it helpful.And not in a forever alone way.Life has it's ups and downs and sometimes human interaction and the help of a stranger can be really refreshing.Well they are being paid for it but even so it's something that can make you feel a lot better.Even so they can provide experience in socialising you wouldn't get from a guide,a game or a psychologist some times.I'm quite an open minded person in these kind of things maybe because I'm not the greatest socialiser!Very interesting thread though

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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2014, 08:34:59 AM »
I might watch it at some point (but not now) but host(ess) clubs have a deeper psychological reason than one might think. Japan has one of the lowest birth rates and lowest marriage rates in the world. Career orientated women and men are becoming increasingly prevalent, and culturally they tend to look closer at the length of time someone works rather than the work they actually do (same with S. Korea). Many offices require regular out-of-office meals (and late drinking sessions) which are seen as a way to socialise with your co-workers but really end up as another unavoidable activity—if you want to keep your job, you better not skip it. Korean children are expected to work from dawn to dusk (most have pre-school lessons, school, after-school classes then private tutors in the evening. It's not uncommon to see kids grabbing dinner after their second session of schooling on the way to their tutors). I seriously doubt Japan is any better. They even have a god damn term for death by overwork (Kuroshi).

Add that all up, and precisely when are you even meant to have the time to go out and meet people? These clubs exist to fill a niche for people who want to go out for some attention from the opposite sex, just as all the Japanese whore houses exist for those who don't have the time to go out and find a partner the ol' fashioned way. Just as the cuddle cafés have sprung up for those who miss that interaction. Just as those eroge games have become massively popular in Japan but yet to really make it to the west (because we have no need for them). There is a flaw in their system of overworking employees and companies are going to be naturally resistant to change, leaving it up to the private sector to find new ways to fill in the gaps.
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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2014, 04:08:59 PM »
I might watch it at some point (but not now) but host(ess) clubs have a deeper psychological reason than one might think. Japan has one of the lowest birth rates and lowest marriage rates in the world. Career orientated women and men are becoming increasingly prevalent, and culturally they tend to look closer at the length of time someone works rather than the work they actually do (same with S. Korea). Many offices require regular out-of-office meals (and late drinking sessions) which are seen as a way to socialise with your co-workers but really end up as another unavoidable activity—if you want to keep your job, you better not skip it. Korean children are expected to work from dawn to dusk (most have pre-school lessons, school, after-school classes then private tutors in the evening. It's not uncommon to see kids grabbing dinner after their second session of schooling on the way to their tutors). I seriously doubt Japan is any better. They even have a god damn term for death by overwork (Kuroshi).

Add that all up, and precisely when are you even meant to have the time to go out and meet people? These clubs exist to fill a niche for people who want to go out for some attention from the opposite sex, just as all the Japanese whore houses exist for those who don't have the time to go out and find a partner the ol' fashioned way. Just as the cuddle cafés have sprung up for those who miss that interaction. Just as those eroge games have become massively popular in Japan but yet to really make it to the west (because we have no need for them). There is a flaw in their system of overworking employees and companies are going to be naturally resistant to change, leaving it up to the private sector to find new ways to fill in the gaps.

That shitt is fukin stupid. Emotional blackmail, slave labour , fukin hell, what a joke. I'd rather kill myself, then to be subjected that crap.

The Korean thing isn't so bad though, considering they are children, for an adult to have no freedom is despicable.
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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2014, 04:24:54 PM »
Are you kidding me? It's WAY worse for the kids.

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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2014, 05:38:27 PM »
Are you kidding me? It's WAY worse for the kids.
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It's better, in the long run, when it comes to developing a successful society. Children don't know what to do with their freedom, they need to be taught. I see western schools failing atm.
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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2014, 06:07:08 PM »
Are you kidding me? It's WAY worse for the kids.[/quote

It's better, in the long run, when it comes to developing a successful society. Children don't know what to do with their freedom, they need to be taught. I see western schools failing atm.
Tell me about it, I think I'm looking at an example right now...

Suicides and korea, google it.

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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2014, 06:32:23 PM »
Wow you really don't like me, so pissed lol.

Well the topic is new to me so I wasn't aware. Thanks for constantly looking for opportunities to attack me.

Besides the topic was host clubs and the documentary.
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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2014, 06:53:12 PM »
I'm going to join in on the attack here Osmo. If you want to post a topic, please stop making them so shit.
How about you give more than a single frickin' sentence as your opinion and actually flesh it out. What do you guys think?


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So I feel that opening a topic and finding a single sentence as the "topic" is really annoying and pointless. I get really close to locking the topic because it feels that the OP doesn't actually give a damn. Especially in the General Discussions sub-forum, it would be nice to actually get some nice DISCUSSIONS going which require input from the OP as well. Otherwise, why not just simply post in the general chit-chat thread? JUST A THOUGHT, chu think?
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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2014, 07:29:08 PM »
^We can MAKE a discussion :P

I actually felt sorry for my sisters Korean class when I realise what they were subject to. A lot of it has to do with pressure from their parents to excel. Without any free time, how are they meant to do discover what they enjoy doing? How are they meant to actually LIVE? How do they learn how to form bonds with others? Or effectively communicate with others their own age? Emotional blackmail feels a bit strong though, seeing as they're going to these cafés of their own volition. Same with slave labour, it's no more slave labour than the single mother working two jobs to make ends meet. The point really is that no society is perfect. They may have less freedom outside of work than the west, but they also seem to be better at innovating solutions to the problems they face. In fact there are some Asian ideas that I think would translate really well over in the West.

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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2014, 08:05:10 PM »
^

While I appreciate the reply, that wasn't the thread topic.

I'm going to join in on the attack here Osmo. If you want to post a topic, please stop making them so shit.
How about you give more than a single frickin' sentence as your opinion and actually flesh it out. What do you guys think?


Addition as example for Osmo to improve in the future:
So I feel that opening a topic and finding a single sentence as the "topic" is really annoying and pointless. I get really close to locking the topic because it feels that the OP doesn't actually give a damn. Especially in the General Discussions sub-forum, it would be nice to actually get some nice DISCUSSIONS going which require input from the OP as well. Otherwise, why not just simply post in the general chit-chat thread? JUST A THOUGHT, chu think?

Lol haha another rager.

There's nothing bad about it. I gave a short summary on the documentary and asked what you guys think of it "after you've watched it". You need to watch the damn documentary in order for me to have a discussion with you, that's the whole point.

Well after reading your ragey reply, it seems you still haven't watched it and you're just going off topic with personal attacks on me ( which is cute). You're staff so set an example. Since you continue to derail I wouldn't be surprised if it got banned. It was actually an interesting topic so thanks.

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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2014, 08:43:53 PM »
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Where did you even do that? :O Anyway, I've seen the video a long time ago and thought it was quite amusing. I think there'd be more of a stigma regarding this in other places in the world though as it's not "as masculine" as going to a prostitute.

Furthermore, why don't you elaborate on your views and thoughts? All you ever do is one or two lines each and every time you make a topic. It's boring as hell. I'll just start locking them or merging them into general chit-chat unless you start making more of an effort.

Also, in regards to telling me to set an example.. Yo bitch, I'm the BBT troll.
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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2014, 10:04:36 PM »
Lmfao at you getting all technical over this, damn you must be pissed. Lol.....sheesh bringing out the dictionary and all.

Let me clarify then. I gave a "short summary" on my views about the documentary. Not a long summary, a short one my dear senpai.

Lmaoo that's hardly a view. Who cares about the stigma. I wanted to talk more about how unhealthy this is and the side effects of developing a relationship on money. And how much money goes into this considering prostitution is more physical thus it's more easier to put a price on the transaction.

But as rostheferret already mentioned, a lot of this could be due to the workaholic culture of japan, which the documentary doesn't address directly, which leads us deeper down the rabbit hole of Japan's culture and social norms in general. And possibly even their genetics if there behaviour is so ingrained.

I also find that this is the female equivalent to prostitution. Women's needs aren't so physical as a mans. You can call me a sexist but why is the ratio of male prostitutes  vs female prostitutes vastly different?

I see your making threats, I'm so scared lol. Haha. You scare me plz don't take away my precious threads :p

Meh I always get trolled here anyway, I'm just a piece of amusement so people can laugh at me. Even the staff are getting in on the action.


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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2014, 01:01:40 AM »
I might watch it at some point (but not now) but host(ess) clubs have a deeper psychological reason than one might think. Japan has one of the lowest birth rates and lowest marriage rates in the world. Career orientated women and men are becoming increasingly prevalent, and culturally they tend to look closer at the length of time someone works rather than the work they actually do (same with S. Korea). Many offices require regular out-of-office meals (and late drinking sessions) which are seen as a way to socialise with your co-workers but really end up as another unavoidable activity—if you want to keep your job, you better not skip it. Korean children are expected to work from dawn to dusk (most have pre-school lessons, school, after-school classes then private tutors in the evening. It's not uncommon to see kids grabbing dinner after their second session of schooling on the way to their tutors). I seriously doubt Japan is any better. They even have a god damn term for death by overwork (Kuroshi).

Add that all up, and precisely when are you even meant to have the time to go out and meet people? These clubs exist to fill a niche for people who want to go out for some attention from the opposite sex, just as all the Japanese whore houses exist for those who don't have the time to go out and find a partner the ol' fashioned way. Just as the cuddle cafés have sprung up for those who miss that interaction. Just as those eroge games have become massively popular in Japan but yet to really make it to the west (because we have no need for them). There is a flaw in their system of overworking employees and companies are going to be naturally resistant to change, leaving it up to the private sector to find new ways to fill in the gaps.

This.
I had always wanted to work in Japan but after I found about their work condition and all a while back, nope. Not gonna do it. I like having free time for family. And work and money for me are but necessary evils of this life. 'Tis is as simple as that.

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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2014, 06:09:36 AM »
I might watch it at some point (but not now) but host(ess) clubs have a deeper psychological reason than one might think. Japan has one of the lowest birth rates and lowest marriage rates in the world. Career orientated women and men are becoming increasingly prevalent, and culturally they tend to look closer at the length of time someone works rather than the work they actually do (same with S. Korea). Many offices require regular out-of-office meals (and late drinking sessions) which are seen as a way to socialise with your co-workers but really end up as another unavoidable activity—if you want to keep your job, you better not skip it. Korean children are expected to work from dawn to dusk (most have pre-school lessons, school, after-school classes then private tutors in the evening. It's not uncommon to see kids grabbing dinner after their second session of schooling on the way to their tutors). I seriously doubt Japan is any better. They even have a god damn term for death by overwork (Kuroshi).

Add that all up, and precisely when are you even meant to have the time to go out and meet people? These clubs exist to fill a niche for people who want to go out for some attention from the opposite sex, just as all the Japanese whore houses exist for those who don't have the time to go out and find a partner the ol' fashioned way. Just as the cuddle cafés have sprung up for those who miss that interaction. Just as those eroge games have become massively popular in Japan but yet to really make it to the west (because we have no need for them). There is a flaw in their system of overworking employees and companies are going to be naturally resistant to change, leaving it up to the private sector to find new ways to fill in the gaps.

This.
I had always wanted to work in Japan but after I found about their work condition and all a while back, nope. Not gonna do it. I like having free time for family. And work and money for me are but necessary evils of this life. 'Tis is as simple as that.

Yeah, having lived in Japan for a year, I really like it, and would love to move back here once I've finished uni - but there's no way I'm going to work for a Japanese company. I don't think I could handle it, and frankly I don't want to find out.

I read an interesting article about how certain aspects of a child's upbringing affect how good they are at handling stress in later life, and how Japanese society takes advantage of these. Basically, the way Japanese children are brought up makes them incredibly good at handling stress, which is why they can survive the ordeals that that are highschool and having a job in Japan and still come out fine (for the most part). Sadly I can't find it now though :(
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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2014, 07:08:38 AM »
I am not saying I won't visit japan. Maybe on a vacation. I shall freeload on you bob!!!
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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2014, 03:02:10 PM »
The japanese kids also go to pre-school in shorts when it's snowing. "Builds character" they say.  :whistle:


Bang just means room so they're just called DVD-rooms. The capsule hotels and Goshiwons are also pretty funny.  ;D

And no, it's not pronouced english like english bang. :P

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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2014, 01:10:49 PM »
I'm only 10min in and I have to say he's so masterful at his craft I'm actually see girl develop hopes in dreams in their eyes while he's talking. I personally don't see anything wrong with it, I stay outside of Atlanta and go into town pretty often. We're dang near the southern hub of strip clubs (I don't count anything Florida as I consider it GA jizz sock >_>). A guy spending $200 on a Friday night on a girl that he know he can't pick up but feels that slight notion that just maybe he can is no different. We take for granted the American dream is a 9-5 job (in some cases) where the cultural riffs across the sea they have there own solutions. Granted when they actually do fall in love with a paid worker they are literally opening their pockets, putting their hearts on the table and and leaving logic at the door. Girls on my side of town take for granted that a single flight away every guy they pushed to the side can easily find 2 or 3 girls willing to show him the time of day. I wouldn't mind seeing an American vs of this. Would it be used for evil...yes, but how often do you get to make a different person fall in love with you daily?

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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2014, 07:21:51 PM »
I'm only 10min in and I have to say he's so masterful at his craft I'm actually see girl develop hopes in dreams in their eyes while he's talking. I personally don't see anything wrong with it, I stay outside of Atlanta and go into town pretty often. We're dang near the southern hub of strip clubs (I don't count anything Florida as I consider it GA jizz sock >_>). A guy spending $200 on a Friday night on a girl that he know he can't pick up but feels that slight notion that just maybe he can is no different. We take for granted the American dream is a 9-5 job (in some cases) where the cultural riffs across the sea they have there own solutions. Granted when they actually do fall in love with a paid worker they are literally opening their pockets, putting their hearts on the table and and leaving logic at the door. Girls on my side of town take for granted that a single flight away every guy they pushed to the side can easily find 2 or 3 girls willing to show him the time of day. I wouldn't mind seeing an American vs of this. Would it be used for evil...yes, but how often do you get to make a different person fall in love with you daily?

America Does have this they are escort services only difference is its not at an established venue. There is no difference then this and high end escort girls.

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Re: Host clubs in japan
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2014, 09:19:49 AM »
I'm only 10min in and I have to say he's so masterful at his craft I'm actually see girl develop hopes in dreams in their eyes while he's talking. I personally don't see anything wrong with it, I stay outside of Atlanta and go into town pretty often. We're dang near the southern hub of strip clubs (I don't count anything Florida as I consider it GA jizz sock >_>). A guy spending $200 on a Friday night on a girl that he know he can't pick up but feels that slight notion that just maybe he can is no different. We take for granted the American dream is a 9-5 job (in some cases) where the cultural riffs across the sea they have there own solutions. Granted when they actually do fall in love with a paid worker they are literally opening their pockets, putting their hearts on the table and and leaving logic at the door. Girls on my side of town take for granted that a single flight away every guy they pushed to the side can easily find 2 or 3 girls willing to show him the time of day. I wouldn't mind seeing an American vs of this. Would it be used for evil...yes, but how often do you get to make a different person fall in love with you daily?

America Does have this they are escort services only difference is its not at an established venue. There is no difference then this and high end escort girls.

The stigma is different. An escort doesn't necessarily involve sex, but it's expected. A hostess bar is the exact opposite; it may involve sex, but it's not expected. It's that implication that makes one wildly different from the other, at least in my mind.