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Offline Gh0st93

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Re: New computer
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2014, 06:04:53 PM »
Generally you want your idle power draw to fall into ~30%-40% of the PSU's rated wattage, and your peak power draw (think LinX + Furmark + HDTune all at once) to fall into ~70%-80% of the PSU's rated wattage.


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Re: New computer
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2014, 01:25:27 AM »
had i forgot to mention that you can artificially cap your CPU's current draw? technically it won't turn your CPU into an unstable mush, all it'll do is throttle itself down whenever that current cap is reached.
it functions like how thermal throttling does, it dumps clock speed until the temps gets low enough.

i guess i did mention it.
on a side-note though, if you offset the voltage down to lets say 1.1v which is likely stable even at 3.5Ghz.
and then cap the current to 45A it'll top at 50W draw even with turbo-boost on.

so if the CPU volts is about 1.3v you'd set the current cap to around 50A so that it won't exceed 65W.

the option is under bios, depending on the bios options it may vary but usually its under the core feature tab.

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Re: New computer
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2014, 02:34:36 AM »
had i forgot to mention that you can artificially cap your CPU's current draw? technically it won't turn your CPU into an unstable mush, all it'll do is throttle itself down whenever that current cap is reached.
it functions like how thermal throttling does, it dumps clock speed until the temps gets low enough.

i guess i did mention it.
on a side-note though, if you offset the voltage down to lets say 1.1v which is likely stable even at 3.5Ghz.
and then cap the current to 45A it'll top at 50W draw even with turbo-boost on.

so if the CPU volts is about 1.3v you'd set the current cap to around 50A so that it won't exceed 65W.

the option is under bios, depending on the bios options it may vary but usually its under the core feature tab.

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The CPU is set at 11GHz >__>

Also I heard that the new unlocked devils canyon chip runs hot(at least the i7 k variant), like hotter then haswell which if I remember right it ran hotter then Ivy...
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Re: New computer
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2014, 06:24:52 AM »
had i forgot to mention that you can artificially cap your CPU's current draw? technically it won't turn your CPU into an unstable mush, all it'll do is throttle itself down whenever that current cap is reached.
it functions like how thermal throttling does, it dumps clock speed until the temps gets low enough.

i guess i did mention it.
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so if the CPU volts is about 1.3v you'd set the current cap to around 50A so that it won't exceed 65W.

the option is under bios, depending on the bios options it may vary but usually its under the core feature tab.
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I'm sorry, I didn't fully understand what you meant before - I've never even considered the existence of such BIOS settings. That screenshot was most enlightening (and I hope you just changed the multiplier for it, then changed it back/quit without saving).

Is this a common feature in all Haswell machines where the CPU handles voltage regulation? Or does this require a specific motherboard chipset, or is it even only a single manufacturer which does this? Or is it even older than Haswell and nowadays ubiquitous, and I'm just that much out of the loop? :)

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Re: New computer
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2014, 07:04:09 AM »
its been a common feature since 10 or 15years ago, but it mostly depends on the motherboard manufacturer whether they include said features.
all manufacturer gives these said features but most likely the high-end boards will but the low-end boards rarely does.

"quit without saving" would result with bios going back to its previous setting, you need to "save and exit" for the changes to take effect.
in cases where the settings is unstable enough to render it bootless, theres a simple reset pin to forcefully change bios settings back to factory default.

undervolting will not damage the CPU, nor does capping the current.
if stability is preferred you can do some stress tests on various voltage points and find the instability point, choose the voltage point you deem safe.


edit: i just noticed this after reading through news feeds.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7851/intel-xeon-to-get-crystal-well-e31284l-v3

seems like its your best bet a a good CPU unit, albeit gonna be pricy but having an IrisPRO on a low-power xeon would be worth it.



The CPU is set at 11GHz >__>

Also I heard that the new unlocked devils canyon chip runs hot(at least the i7 k variant), like hotter then haswell which if I remember right it ran hotter then Ivy...
they're just selecting the highest multiplier ratio, that bios is actually sandybridge as well. doubt it'd even boot at that setting.

they could've possibly got a bad chip, although not defective in a sense.
though it clearly shows just how much these chips aren't limited by the TIM or delidding it gives much benefit.

if you look up the laws of physics its actually the die-size thats at fault.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_contact_conductance
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One may observe that the heat flow is directly related to the thermal conductivities of the bodies in contact, k_A and k_B, the contact area A, and the thermal contact resistance, 1/h_c, which, as previously noted, is the inverse of the thermal conductance coefficient, h_c.

to give you an illustration.
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Re: New computer
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2014, 05:52:09 AM »
i checked my local retailers and they're pricing them a bit higher than MSRP, yeah i figured as much.
128GB = $90
256GB = $130
512GB = $255


Kinda late but...
You could try out Ebay, they should have plenty of sealed ones at good deals. I think they now deliver to.... where were you, Brazil?

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Re: New computer
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2014, 09:36:11 AM »
kita should be in the Philippines, from is from Sweden. Now I feel horrified by my wasted brain capacity, which could be used to memorize more for my exams.....

So as it turned out in another thread, the advantages of devils canyon aren't that large, and you either build now or wait until boradwell. That said, kita posted a nice link in the future computer parts discussion, where it states that desktop CPUs with Iris Pro graphics are coming with broadwell. Since you are looking for a non-GPU build, and energy efficiency of broadwell should rise due to the shrink, this might be the better option.

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Re: New computer
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2014, 01:44:11 PM »
ph, and no imports, the shipping alone will get me +$50 on top, not including taxes >,>

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