Naruto Shippuuden

[hanayome]

I think it only describes her personality, and it's not an example of her bad decisions, for which we are waiting from you, you claim she wasn't suited to be a Hokage, tell us what she did wrong, not what are her personality traits.

She didn't do anything wrong --yet-- i guess. But she would make a few mistakes if nobody opposed her and made her see sense at times. But she is fit for the Hokage title imo. After all, there are others to rectify her just in case she almost makes a wrong decision.

[Havoc10K]

so does that mean you changed your mind of her not being suited for Hokage ?

[hanayome]

so does that mean you changed your mind of her not being suited for Hokage ?

Maybe...I just think that the previous Hokages were better than her. She doesn't exactly live up to those expectations. But that's just me...--shrug--

[Havoc10K]

maybe because the previous Hokage's were combat specialists, while she is a Medical Ninja, her point of view differs from a soldiers point of view, she naturally wants to save as many lives as possible, Soldiers just want the mission completed, HE just wants everything under control, not exactly my way, more like China Konoha is being born now lol

[EroKenshin]

It's hard to live up to legends, all the previous Hokage were incredibly talented and she's just talented but still qualified. She was chosen as the best replacement for Sarutobi but all the others were named while an Hokage was still living because they were just that exceptional. That being said, I think she did very well so far and I think her medical skills makes her more valuable to the village than say Jiraiya would've been or Danzou could ever be.

And I can't believe

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they named Danzou rokudaime Hokage,

are all these people retards?

Well, it's hard to argue since a lot of crazy has happened during the Third's and Fifth's Hogake~presidency as Danzou said. Danzou probably could have prevented a bit of it if he was in charge, but Konoha would be worse with him at reign.

I see your point but making that decision based on the predecessors is just foolish, that's why I said they're retards. Danzou may appear to be a good choice but he clearly doesn't care about the village itself only its power and that's not what an Hokage should be. Anyone who came in contact with the man should easily see that. And I doubt he could've prevented anything if anything he would've made things worst, Naruto and Sasuke would be dead and Akatsuki stronger for it.

[deathman]

Look it was when Tsunade was a Hokage that Sasuke left the village it was under Tsunade's leadership when Asuma died (although not extremely her fault) and of course under Tsunade's leadership when the whole fucking village was destroyed...also when an S class criminal like pain attacks the village you at least expect for the hokage to be as strong...but what the fuck she was healing the whole village when pain was destroying it quicker than she was healing it...Had it been the 1st or the 3rd (dont know about the second and minato's leadership did not last for long) this whole massacre could have been avoided...the village was saved because naruto managed not defeat pain(if he had killed him back then ,then most of the best ninjas the strongest jonin and many others could have died) but to make him understand his mistake.So yeah i believe that Danzo would not be loved by most of the village...but he would be a lot mote efficient than Tsunade...think only that she wasnt a candidate to begin with.

[Havoc10K]

it's like blaming Obama for what Bush did lol

lets end the silly arguing cuz there will be rage war soon about this, Tsunade sacrificed all of herself to help the village in the only way she could, by healing, if it wasn't for her and any other Hokage was there, Konoha wouldn't have much villagers left to rebuild it so I think your argument is invalid, lets say Sarutobi would go and fight, or Jiraiya if he was Hokage, they would die like anyone else, Naruto had a chance cuz he approached differently, he did  defeat the 6 pains, but he did not defeat Nagato, he stopped him. Tsunade didn't make any mistake, Sasuke would have left anyways, be it Sarutobi or Jiraiya or anyone else, Orochimaru's henchmen came for him, and would have steal the boy anyways. Asuma died in combat, it wasn't Tsunade's fault, and Konoha would have been destroyed by Pain anyways, I mean, they didn't even know how to fight him in the first place, so if the Hokage would go fight him he would die like anyone else, Naruto was fully prepared for the fight, and he still barely made it.

[deathman]

it's like blaming Obama for what Bush did lol

lets end the silly arguing cuz there will be rage war soon about this, Tsunade sacrificed all of herself to help the village in the only way she could, by healing, if it wasn't for her and any other Hokage was there, Konoha wouldn't have much villagers left to rebuild it so I think your argument is invalid, lets say Sarutobi would go and fight, or Jiraiya if he was Hokage, they would die like anyone else, Naruto had a chance cuz he approached differently, he did  defeat the 6 pains, but he did not defeat Nagato, he stopped him. Tsunade didn't make any mistake, Sasuke would have left anyways, be it Sarutobi or Jiraiya or anyone else, Orochimaru's henchmen came for him, and would have steal the boy anyways. Asuma died in combat, it wasn't Tsunade's fault, and Konoha would have been destroyed by Pain anyways, I mean, they didn't even know how to fight him in the first place, so if the Hokage would go fight him he would die like anyone else, Naruto was fully prepared for the fight, and he still barely made it.

Okay i am not flaming here but seriously Havoc Jiraiya was the one who figured out how the pain system worked so yeah if he went and fougth pain as the hokage with the help of some medical ninjas and others jonins he could have defeated him ...when tsunade started healing the whole village while i said that pain was destroying it...also is it possible for the hokage to go into a comatose state after the destruction of the village???It is not her fault but then again it is HER fault....Anyways i think that there was a reason that Jiraiya was the first candidate for hokage and not tsunade(her character is that of a person that gets angry easily and hence makes rush decisions that put the whole of Konoha at danger...)..Anyways i believe that in comparison with the others Tsunade was the most mediocre hokage...i wont speak about the 1st....he could have defeated pain quicker than the other hokages.Also as i mentioned despite Tsunade healing the whole village the village would still be in ruin if pain hadnt used this ressurection ninjutsu.

[Havoc10K]

paradox here mate, If Jiraiya was the Hokage he would not figure out the system at all, he would not be there in the first place

[deathman]

paradox here mate, If Jiraiya was the Hokage he would not figure out the system at all, he would not be there in the first place

Jiraiya would still have the same intelligence though so yeah i think that if he had met pain as the hokage when he attacked the village he would have defeated him with the help of others aswell....

[Havoc10K]

what intelligence ? if he became Hokage instead of Tsunade he would have to stop halfway through investigating Akatsuki, he would know shit about it.

[deathman]

what intelligence ? if he became Hokage instead of Tsunade he would have to stop halfway through investigating Akatsuki, he would know shit about it.

It doesnt have to do with his intelligence about akatsuki man..........it has to do with him and the understanding of the pain system..you dont need information about akatsuki in order to understand pain's powers wake up Havoc!!!!

[Havoc10K]

well, he would not even know about Pain in the first place, and if Pain attacked suddenly like they did, although Jirayia's info came late anyways, and Konoha was fairly aware that Pain would attack them soon, without intel about Pain they would be completely obliterated, without expecting it, they would fall much faster, with what he gave them they found out fairly well about his ability and could act even if it was insignificant, but without that intel, they had no chance at all, it would be WHOOP -ASSED!

but talking about "what ifs" should stop, it happened the way it did, no changing that anyway and doesn't matter anymore.

End of discussion.

Back to topic.

[deathman]

well, he would not even know about Pain in the first place, and if Pain attacked suddenly like they did, although Jirayia's info came late anyways, and Konoha was fairly aware that Pain would attack them soon, without intel about Pain they would be completely obliterated, without expecting it, they would fall much faster, with what he gave them they found out fairly well about his ability and could act even if it was insignificant, but without that intel, they had no chance at all, it would be WHOOP -ASSED!

but talking about "what ifs" should stop, it happened the way it did, no changing that anyway and doesn't matter anymore.

End of discussion.

Back to topic.

Lets get back to topic indeed(i could continue that discuccion forever though)

[Takeshi]

Today's episode was perhaps the best filler episode I've seen in years. The level of details that elite team can pull off is amazing. Also, nice that it wasn't something we had seen before aka last episode.

And wow, nice Taijutsu ending. It could be cool if he was fighting a different team in 5 eps or so. And did anyone else think Hajime No Ippo when they saw the opening?

[Havoc10K]

I liked this episode, was pretty nice, the new OP/ED are nice as well, especially Tenten in the ED was really cute and hot

the all ED looked like a dance floor, really cool practice Dojo

[EroKenshin]

I agree good episode (for filler anyway), but the next one looks pretty bad. I wonder how many more fillers we're gonna get? I can't really tell by the episodes title alone, but episode 182's

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Gaara 'Bonds'

so filler or not I'll enjoy it I'm sure.

I don't like the ED song but the animation was good.

Who's elite team?

[fohfoh]

Ignore Havok's Naruto knowledge. I've argued with him a lot before as well. His statements are full of fallacies at times and opinions stated as truth. It's the former that I have a field day with on.

Both of you should realize that Pain was sent to konoha because konoha was THAT strong. It states several things.

1. Under Tsunade's leadership, konoha's safety was on par if not better than "normal"
2. Arguments should be based on how well the other Hokage's would have handled it. Under Minato, Kyuubi gave the village a nice flattening as well.
3. Technically Orochimaru fucked over the whole village when he invaded konoha. He just didn't flatten it to the same level as Pain. Had Orochimaru had more power like pain (in the sense of more autonomous movement individuals) he easily could have flattened the village under Sarutobi's rule.


Note also: If Tsunade was not Hokage, she would have no affiliation with konoha. Sakura would be piss weak, Medical ninjutsu would be on a lower level overall in Konoha. Also, AFAIK, Akatsuki entered Konoha on occasion under Sarutobi's rule.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jiraiya AND Kakashi refused role of Hokage. Kakashi claiming inability, Jiraiya refusing to give up his freedom. Don't give me the "Kakashi wasn't strong enough" bullshit either. That was discussed a few pages back. If you want to discuss it, go suck a dick instead.

[kenpa007]

Something intrigues me... Konoha is always under attack of ONE individual (ok, pain had 6 bodies, but doesn't really matter).
Gaara, Orochimaru, Pain, Madara (with kyuubi) in the past.

If Konoha was so strong and all, why not go full out against it? Like, making it go herpderp with, you know, AT LEAST THE WHOLE AKATSUKI and be done with it. :S Especially if they were expecting to capture, oh I don't know, just the strongest bijuu of them all?

Feels kinda stupid - all this one-man-band bad guys. Not to mention no good character ever dies. Shonen mangaka could use some more fresh approach, revolutionize the genre a bit.

Or I am watching all the wrong shonen anime? Bleach and NS are real herpderps.

[Takeshi]

Not to mention no good character ever dies.

Wait what? You forget about Jiraiya, Kakashi (albeit he got revived), Sandaime and Azuma?