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« Reply #9040 on: July 15, 2009, 09:45:23 AM »
You know that you can lose the citizenship of a country if you chose to serve in another country's army?

Is that true? I assume you mean some western country. Where in that case?
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« Reply #9041 on: July 15, 2009, 09:53:58 AM »
Everywhere. When you take your oath as a citizen of a particular country you swear not to serve the official armed force of another sovereign nation. Fighting as an illegal combatant nullifies the protection granted by the Geneva Convention so you are breaking law either way.

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« Reply #9042 on: July 15, 2009, 09:58:51 AM »
Loss of German citizenship
[...]A German citizen who voluntarily serves in a foreign army (over and above compulsory military service) from 1 January 2000 may lose German citizenship unless permission is obtained from the German government.[...]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law

Loss of Dutch citizenship
[...]Dutch citizenship may also be revoked in the case of service in a foreign army at war with the Netherlands.[...]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_nationality_law

I guess there may be more countries with those laws ... I know that all scandinavian countries have the option to revoke citicenship for "fraud to the country"...so I guess a case like this could also apply for most of scandinavia

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« Reply #9043 on: July 15, 2009, 10:08:46 AM »
Ah yes permitted with conditions that is. Makes more sense.

Everywhere. When you take your oath as a citizen of a particular country you swear not to serve the official armed force of another sovereign nation. Fighting as an illegal combatant nullifies the protection granted by the Geneva Convention so you are breaking law either way.

Hehe "take your oath", I've never done that. :)
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« Reply #9044 on: July 15, 2009, 10:10:11 AM »
South Korea is not gonna permit me to serve the armed forces of Iran lol

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Hehe "take your oath", I've never done that. Smiley

I'm gonna take mine when I'm 18. I'm a dual citizen because my parents have different citizenship, (South Korean mother and Filipino father) but since I'm born in South Korea the Korean government is more inclined to induct me into their citizenry by virtue of 'Jus Soli'. I still have chance to choose my citizenry however because Philippines has the 'Jus Sanguinis' in their nationality law. (citizenship by blood) In your case since you were born to your country's citizens and you were born on your country's soil you took your oath when you were born.
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« Reply #9045 on: July 16, 2009, 07:46:06 PM »
So you mean an actual oath?
I didn't know anyone had to take any oaths these days.

Anyway, first serious case of the swine flu in Sweden now. How exciting.
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« Reply #9046 on: July 16, 2009, 08:47:32 PM »
So you mean an actual oath?
I didn't know anyone had to take any oaths these days.

Yeah. I think it's one written oath and two verbal oath. (once for the court responsible for the transfer of your citizenship; once more to the ruling body of the country you are transferring to) There are always people who take oaths; many people change citizenship for whatever reason each day, reasons like mine.

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« Reply #9047 on: July 17, 2009, 12:54:01 AM »
The Republic of the Philippines seems to have no problem with its citizens serving in the US Military.

The linear nature of your Euclidean geometry both confounds and befuddles me.

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« Reply #9048 on: July 17, 2009, 06:04:58 AM »
as I pointed out... it varies.. and Philippines is US' bitch anyway..

but down there with Pakistan, India and Korea things look a bit different... last thing I know is they weren't exactly on friendly terms with one another

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« Reply #9049 on: July 17, 2009, 09:45:55 AM »
The Republic of the Philippines seems to have no problem with its citizens serving in the US Military.

Wtf. I didn't know that. Do you know any Filipino who serve in the U.S. military? The last I knew the Philippines' been getting rather protective about keeping skilled personnel among its ranks. It had to decommission its F-4 and F-5 fleets because no one could operate them  ::) there are no more pilots in the Philippines who can fly a supersonic jet, let alone fight with it. (They mainly depend on the Guam detachment of the 7th Fleet for protecting its water and airspace) They need better soldiers. Or maybe they just stopped trying to keep skilled soldiers from retiring... Anyway, I don't think I'm made for the soldier stuff. My hyperactive unruliness will hamper my ability to obey commands. (I'm not willing to bet on me being wrong about myself)

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but down there with Pakistan, India and Korea things look a bit different... last thing I know is they weren't exactly on friendly terms with one another

True. I don't know what's wrong between India and Korea (or between Pakistan and Korea) but Pakistan and India resented each other since the conception of the Republic of Pakistan. But it's not that bad, if Pakistan feels the need to buff up its military, so be it, my entrepreneurship will flourish better that way, and if they don't, I can go deeper into the Middle East. They always need better soldiers, and better ways to train them.

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« Reply #9050 on: July 17, 2009, 11:22:30 AM »
But it's not that bad, if Pakistan feels the need to buff up its military, so be it, my entrepreneurship will flourish better that way, and if they don't, I can go deeper into the Middle East. They always need better soldiers, and better ways to train them.

And your entrepeneurship is the only thing those backwards countries can afford anyway  ;D
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« Reply #9051 on: July 17, 2009, 09:48:13 PM »
The Republic of the Philippines seems to have no problem with its citizens serving in the US Military.

Wtf. I didn't know that. Do you know any Filipino who serve in the U.S. military?


Um... yes.


My work center supervisor (my immediate boss). The Command Master Chief for the ship (he may be a US Citizen now, but he's from the PI), about half of Supply Department are RoP nationals.


There are probably more RoP nationals in the US Navy than in the RoP Navy.


Also, not everyone in the military is a soldier. I'm a fuckin' sailor.

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« Reply #9052 on: July 17, 2009, 09:56:46 PM »
Um... yes.

Sorry. I didn't imply that you were lying. I just found it a bit surprising that the U.S. military will find places for Filipinos.

My work center supervisor (my immediate boss). The Command Master Chief for the ship (he may be a US Citizen now, but he's from the PI), about half of Supply Department are RoP nationals.

What about the... 'combat department', you know, the ones piloting gunboats and helicopters and stuff? Do they employ Filipinos there?


There are probably more RoP nationals in the US Navy than in the RoP Navy.

That's true. RoP Navy doesn't have enough ships to support more than a few thousand personnel anyway.

Also, not everyone in the military is a soldier. I'm a fuckin' sailor.

Yeah, thanks for reminding me. What's the payment difference between frontline soldiers and support personnel?

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« Reply #9053 on: July 20, 2009, 11:27:18 AM »
Also, not everyone in the military is a soldier. I'm a fuckin' sailor.

Yeah, thanks for reminding me. What's the payment difference between frontline soldiers and support personnel?

Not that it's my place to be answering, but it's probably a large difference. After all, front line soldiers are in much more danger.

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« Reply #9054 on: July 20, 2009, 12:08:59 PM »
Yeah, but then in some places brains have more value than muscular endurance or gunning skills. I just want to know how large that difference is.

I think paygrade is fixed according to rank. Proin's a Petty Officer, so he'll receive more salary than any private or corporal in a battlefield, unless those soldiers receive helluva bonus for being heroes.

But there could be a difference in payment between a Petty Officer on the frontline and a Petty Officer in a support ship, and that's what I'm trying to know.
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« Reply #9055 on: July 20, 2009, 01:08:33 PM »
Yeah, but then in some places brains have more value than muscular endurance or gunning skills. I just want to know how large that difference is.

I think paygrade is fixed according to rank. Proin's a Petty Officer, so he'll receive more salary than any private or corporal in a battlefield, unless those soldiers receive helluva bonus for being heroes.

It all depends on many factors: Employer (read: country), Deployment, rank, type of mission, risk estimate.

So let's say the Employer is the Norwegian state (since I am only familiar with that one).
First of all deployment: Is a soldier in Norway, or in Afghanistan? Because a private is deployed in Afghanistan, he costs more then a leutenant stationed in Norway.
Rank, pretty straightforward, it's a fixed value.
Type of mission and risk estimate: Yes, a sharpshooter from Jegerkommando will be payed differently than someone with the same rank who sits on his ass in a base making coffee.

Currently the most expencive personnell that Norway has deployed in Afghanistan are the surgeons. Because they are civilians (with already high salary) that get high risk bonus as well as other bonuses. So field doctors are more expensive then Generals.

Some time ago newspapers wrote about the insane amount of money that surgeons required and it naturally triggered negative reaction from the taxpayers.

Not sure if I answered your question, but my theory is that most NATO countries pay high for both if deployed in a warzone, and low for the soldiers who are in their own country. Other couuntries.... have no idea.
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« Reply #9056 on: July 20, 2009, 01:22:44 PM »
South Korean soldiers don't receive pays for the first 2 years. We pay with our life. (we do get food, beds, and insurances though, with free education and medical care) The juniors (fresh recruits) don't even get M16's or body armor until they become seniors next year. We'll be burning some fats and get trash thoughts knocked out of our heads, and a few months in we'll be handling the gay M14.  :P An elongated version of those... peeshooters used by U.S. paratroopers during WWII, i guess?

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« Reply #9057 on: July 20, 2009, 03:02:45 PM »
No pay for the first two years? Omg :)
How long do you guys serve?
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« Reply #9058 on: July 20, 2009, 03:56:37 PM »
South Korean soldiers don't receive pays for the first 2 years. We pay with our life.

So do we for a year. Defending your country is a duty as a citizen after all and that is one of things that it's worth dying for. However deployment in other country (read: invasion) should be payed in hard cash.

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We'll be burning some fats and get trash thoughts knocked out of our heads, and a few months in we'll be handling the gay M14.  :P An elongated version of those... peeshooters used by U.S. paratroopers during WWII, i guess?



M14 is one of the few cool standard issue rifles US made. Marines were smart to insist on keeping it and what you see on the picture is the modernized version: M14 EBR. Awesome thing and not a peashooter either, it's obvious that you don't realize that it fires 7.62mm bullets, the most powerful ammunition besides 12.7mm (which is not used in assault rifles at all)
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« Reply #9059 on: July 20, 2009, 04:14:41 PM »
Well I'm a reservist soldier myself in a country that has not been in any war for 200 years and have nothing to fear from anyone as we don't have anything :)
Chasing pirates in Somalia and maintaining peace in Afghanistan doesn't count.

Should we be attacked then I'll fight for free ;)
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