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voltekka:
"Immersion... if that is his name"
Wait now, I don't think we're on the same page?
Immersion is a concept, not a person. Immersion = 'to be completely surrounded by or inside of'. You know, immersion, immersive, immersed.
The concept of immersion as related to learning a language is that you'll naturally just pick up the language if you're around it and need it all the time, which usually doesn't work at all unless you live in a place where it's the primary language. All I was saying earlier was that it's best to supplement that with studies as well. Is this whole tirade due to the misunderstanding of the term? Nobody was bagging on anyone...
iindigo:
Well Khatzu doesn't say to just be immersed and do nothing else... that obviously doesn't work. With AJATT, you do kanji repetitions in SRS software like Anki, and once you have that done you put Japanese sentences from what you read, watch and listen to into the SRS software. THOSE are the studies that supplement the immersion.
jamienumber9:
I still think Katzu comes across cocky and is too quick to dismiss formal classes. The way he rips on beginners' stumbling and poor pronunciation etc. makes him seem like a few people I've met in classes this year, who seem to feel they're too good to be there, and regards anyone not on their level with a certain amount of contempt.
Also, solely using flash cards to learn kanji won't teach you how to write them. You NEED to write them if you want to have any chance of reproducing them in handwriting. Personally, that's a level of literacy I want to obtain.
psyren:
--- Quote from: jamienumber9 on April 29, 2009, 05:22:40 AM ---Also, solely using flash cards to learn kanji won't teach you how to write them. You NEED to write them if you want to have any chance of reproducing them in handwriting. Personally, that's a level of literacy I want to obtain.
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Correct.
You cannot recognise the exact character until you know how to write it.
If you want to argue with that, then how about I ask you to pick out the character for 'feel' out of other similarly shaped kanji?
iindigo:
--- Quote from: jamienumber9 on April 29, 2009, 05:22:40 AM ---I still think Katzu comes across cocky and is too quick to dismiss formal classes. The way he rips on beginners' stumbling and poor pronunciation etc. makes him seem like a few people I've met in classes this year, who seem to feel they're too good to be there, and regards anyone not on their level with a certain amount of contempt.
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Read all of his stuff. If you had, you would have seen that he doesn't condemn stumbling and even acknowledges failing as a very large part of the learning process when it comes to --anything--. "You have to suck before you can be awesome."
--- Quote from: jamienumber9 on April 29, 2009, 05:22:40 AM ---Also, solely using flash cards to learn kanji won't teach you how to write them. You NEED to write them if you want to have any chance of reproducing them in handwriting. Personally, that's a level of literacy I want to obtain.
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Once again, somebody didn't read. Writing is at the core of the kanji repetitions he's advocating. It goes like:
1. Story for kanji comes up in the SRS. For example. "Tophatted animal picks up six" (Kanji's definition is underlined)
2. User takes out his notepad and writes down the kanji to his best of memory.
3. User grades his own performance and presses the corresponding button in the SRS (Do it Again, Hard, Good, or Easy).
4. User is given another story. Rinse, wash, repeat.
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