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jamienumber9:
Yeah I admit I didn't read the whole site because I saw a few things that put me off.
Like where he says to learn the meaning of kanji, but not to bother with writing it or the readings.
And in another article he rips on beginners in his classes.
And the articles I read were all written in a cocky manner.
In any case, we're both trying to reach the same goal, so good luck to you.
Aneroph:
I saw an interesting site that katsu posted a link to where people were also discussing his methods. Basically they all came to the conclusion that his method was "do whatever the hell makes you happy and do it a lot. This site is only here to provide a timeline if you feel unmotivated and to provide a few tips on commom sense studying methods." I can root around for the site if you want, it was actually pretty interesting to hear what some of them had to say.
Tatsujin:
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--- Quote from: jamienumber9 on April 29, 2009, 05:22:40 AM ---I still think Katzu comes across cocky and is too quick to dismiss formal classes. The way he rips on beginners' stumbling and poor pronunciation etc. makes him seem like a few people I've met in classes this year, who seem to feel they're too good to be there, and regards anyone not on their level with a certain amount of contempt.
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Read all of his stuff. If you had, you would have seen that he doesn't condemn stumbling and even acknowledges failing as a very large part of the learning process when it comes to --anything--. "You have to suck before you can be awesome."
--- Quote from: jamienumber9 on April 29, 2009, 05:22:40 AM ---Also, solely using flash cards to learn kanji won't teach you how to write them. You NEED to write them if you want to have any chance of reproducing them in handwriting. Personally, that's a level of literacy I want to obtain.
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Once again, somebody didn't read. Writing is at the core of the kanji repetitions he's advocating. It goes like:
1. Story for kanji comes up in the SRS. For example. "Tophatted animal picks up six" (Kanji's definition is underlined)
2. User takes out his notepad and writes down the kanji to his best of memory.
3. User grades his own performance and presses the corresponding button in the SRS (Do it Again, Hard, Good, or Easy).
4. User is given another story. Rinse, wash, repeat.
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Some of those Kanji don't have the Hiragana characters which is odd, not that I can't pull it up. I just find it odd to why not have added the hiragana letters that make up that Kanji?
iindigo:
--- Quote from: jamienumber9 on May 01, 2009, 06:13:05 AM ---...but not to bother with writing it...
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That's not on the site anywhere. He says not to learning the readings yet, but writing is supposed to happen with the SRS repetitions. The writing that he criticized as bad was writing each character over and over thousands of times in a mindless school style with no story tied to it. His point is that muscle memory alone is much harder to train to remember characters than your mind is.
Reading comprehension FTW.
jamienumber9:
And I argue that if you don't know the reading of the kanji it's a waste of time, because you can't freaking read. Ok, so you learn a heap of kanji, then you have to go back through and learn the readings? It seems more difficult to me than learning the whole kanji the first time.
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