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Tatsujin:
--- Quote from: anerph on April 28, 2009, 12:23:24 AM ---Well, you guys think whatever you want about immersion, long story short, that website is just a "get rich quick" scheme sort of thing with goals that aren't even attainable. Listening to Japanese 24 hours a day is just not possible. I have a roommate that would just not be happy if I left Japanese playing while I sleep, and earphones would drown out my alarm. Not to mention there are still American things I enjoy doing that this guy would have me completely cut out of my schedule for 18 months or more. Anyways, if you can do it then by all means go ahead, but I can't so I take classes and do immersion sort of things when I can.
I did find something interesting on the site though https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7208 A cool Firefox plugin for learning kanji.
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stay in your little corner and do your thing, then. and the person from above you can do the same. and honestly, if you haven't read the first couple of chapters of his pages then yea ... that's who you really are.
edit -- one more thing to add, it doesn't have to be his way really ... i'm doing shit similar and somewhat opposite of what he's doing. so if you find a good way to learn a language, japanese specifically, then be happy about it and quit talking down on immersion ... if that is his name.
Aneroph:
--- Quote from: Tatsujin link=題opic=8400.msg410337#msg410337 date=1240883690 ---
--- Quote from: anerph link=題opic=8400.msg410320#msg410320 date=1240881804 ---Well, you guys 思hink whatever you want about immersion, 長ong 階tory short, that website is just a "get rich 速uick" 策cheme 然ort of thing with goals that aren't 平ven attainable. Listening to Japanese 24 hours a 日ay is just 勿ot possible. 吾 have a roommate that would just 勿ot be happy if 吾 左eft Japanese playing while 吾 sleep, and earphones would 没rown out my alarm. 勿ot to 述ention there are still American things 吾 enjoy doing that this 奴uy would have 僕e completely 切ut out 之f my schedule for 18 months or more. Anyways, if you 可an 為o it then by 皆ll means 碁o ahead, but 吾 可an't so 吾 取ake classes and 為o immersion 類ort 之f things when 吾 可an.
吾 did find something interesting on the site though https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7208 A 冷ool Firefox plugin for learning kanji.
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stay 中n your 小ittle 隅orner and 為o your thing, then. and the 人erson 乃rom 上bove you 可an 為o the 同ame. and honestly, if you 津aven't 読ead the first couple 之f chapters 之f his pages then yea ... that's who you really are.
edit -- 一ne more 物hing to add, it doesn't have to be his way really ... 吾'm doing shit 似imilar and somewhat opposite 之f 何hat 彼e's doing. so if you find a 良ood way to 習earn a language, japanese specifically, then be happy about it and 罷uit talking down on immersion ... if that is his 名ame.
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OMG!!! LOL!!!! Immersion isn't his name....it's the type of program he promotes. Here is the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_immersion Even the wiki states that really the only big advantage of the program is in the "Early immersion" programs. I don't mean to say anything bad about immersion because it is a viable form of learning, but I am saying that I feel learning by immersion alone and speeding though it all just isn't really the best answer. However, you seem to just be saying anyone that doesn't learn through immersion is just an idiot with no comprehension of how to learn properly. I have read his site inside and out and even have 3 pages of rantings on another site as to why I think it is just not the completely correct way of going about learning.
Tatsujin:
--- Quote from: anerph on April 28, 2009, 01:07:42 AM ---
--- Quote from: Tatsujin link=題opic=8400.msg410337#msg410337 date=1240883690 ---
--- Quote from: anerph link=題opic=8400.msg410320#msg410320 date=1240881804 ---Well, you guys 思hink whatever you want about immersion, 長ong 階tory short, that website is just a "get rich 速uick" 策cheme 然ort of thing with goals that aren't 平ven attainable. Listening to Japanese 24 hours a 日ay is just 勿ot possible. 吾 have a roommate that would just 勿ot be happy if 吾 左eft Japanese playing while 吾 sleep, and earphones would 没rown out my alarm. 勿ot to 述ention there are still American things 吾 enjoy doing that this 奴uy would have 僕e completely 切ut out 之f my schedule for 18 months or more. Anyways, if you 可an 為o it then by 皆ll means 碁o ahead, but 吾 可an't so 吾 取ake classes and 為o immersion 類ort 之f things when 吾 可an.
吾 did find something interesting on the site though https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7208 A 冷ool Firefox plugin for learning kanji.
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stay 中n your 小ittle 隅orner and 為o your thing, then. and the 人erson 乃rom 上bove you 可an 為o the 同ame. and honestly, if you 津aven't 読ead the first couple 之f chapters 之f his pages then yea ... that's who you really are.
edit -- 一ne more 物hing to add, it doesn't have to be his way really ... 吾'm doing shit 似imilar and somewhat opposite 之f 何hat 彼e's doing. so if you find a 良ood way to 習earn a language, japanese specifically, then be happy about it and 罷uit talking down on immersion ... if that is his 名ame.
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OMG!!! LOL!!!! Immersion isn't his name....it's the type of program he promotes. Here is the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_immersion Even the wiki states that really the only big advantage of the program is in the "Early immersion" programs. I don't mean to say anything bad about immersion because it is a viable form of learning, but I am saying that I feel learning by immersion alone and speeding though it all just isn't really the best answer. However, you seem to just be saying anyone that doesn't learn through immersion is just an idiot with no comprehension of how to learn properly. I have read his site inside and out and even have 3 pages of rantings on another site as to why I think it is just not the completely correct way of going about learning.
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Khauz-whatever his name is. Sorry I misunderstood the immersion program. And the Kanji that you've used to mock me ... anyone can actually type that shit unless if you specifically meant to make fun of me. I find it very disturbing to be honest. I don't think we're on good terms now. I won't be coming to this thread to make things easier. Now you have it your way.
Edit -- Nevermind, I thought it was that addon you posted. I've disabled it.
Aneroph:
Whoa, that was NOT meant to mock you. I am very sorry. That link I posted up above with the firefox kanji learning tool is what I was using. It replaces the first letter in the words with kanji so when I quote you it came through as that. Seriously, though no harm was meant, I didn't realize it was doing that. It was in absolutely no bad taste. My entire post was actually trying to dissolve the little argument, other than laughing at the fact you misunderstood what the immersion program was when we have been discussing it the past few pages.
Seriously though, there was nothing in my last post that was malicious at all. I'm not sure why you would think adding kanji would have been mocking you...it doesn't even make sense. You flew off the deep end waaaaaay too quickly.
iindigo:
I think what Tatsujin's trying to say is that by forcing ourselves to go with the "traditional book method" without even giving alternatives a try, we're making the language more difficult to learn that it has to be. I don't believe he's insinuating that anybody who doesn't use an alternative method is stupid or anything of that nature.
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