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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #60 on: February 15, 2012, 07:30:45 pm »
Turkey doesn't have the act because it's economy is based on piracy (for some part). Anyone who visited some minor touristspot knows about the bazaars there, with lots of adibas shoes and the like^^.

Haha lol'd to this. Yeah you are kinda right.. But this shit affective on Turkey too. So we should do it but. At these days not adibas, nixe's are popular ._. China loves us.
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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2012, 11:20:21 am »
The Greek "uncorrupted" government is supporting the ACTA & TPP protests!

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« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2012, 06:10:30 pm »
I'd like to ask if there is any government in the world that isn't corrupt. Of course, if you look closely, quite a few MPs in germany are actually against ACTA, and the SPD (socialist party) that also currently occupies the seat of president of the european parliament, has publicly stated to be against ACTA.

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« Reply #63 on: February 22, 2012, 02:15:43 am »
By the way, is there any thing set up to fight against TPP yet?

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« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2012, 06:56:15 pm »
"The EU Commission has suspended its complaint about the anti-piracy Acta agreement. The Commission has asked the Court of Justice of the European Union, to determine whether the broad objections were made to the citizens ' fundamental rights'."  better this than nothing? ;D I read this from finnish news site.

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« Reply #65 on: February 22, 2012, 11:26:15 pm »
I asked a couple of lawyers about their position on ACTA, and they claimed that it infringes on two principles of democracy: first transparancy (which can easily be corrected) and second the principle of certainty/definiteness (Bestimmtheitsgrundsatz) which can't be changed without changing the entire agreement. As such it shouldn't pass through the court.

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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2012, 02:05:59 pm »
In all honesty, there will eventually be laws in place to protect copyrighted material online. What we need to do is find or draft a bill/act that will protect original content without completely controlling the free web. I just think people need to realize that pirating on the level it is now won't be around forever.

As much as we enjoy having all these things free at our disposal with little to no consequences, we have to be realistic about this and try to find a solid medium that keeps both sides happy.

I don't agree with the way these past bills/acts are written. I am in no way supporting the government controlling our internet. I am just being reasonable in saying that companies need to have their original work protected in some way.

The only way i can legally see this happening is if hardware companies put some kinda code in ALL hardware that wouldn't play downloaded/burnt material. and then they'd have to change their own DL coding a bit too so legal stuff (like say...games/movies/tv shows) that actually have a digital version meant to be DL'd and watched, would play fine. Obviously, the downside to this is that hackers are persistent and would find a way past it in most likely a short time, and companies wouldn't want to keep remaking/tweaking the coding of hardware all the time. of course, they could always make it so you can watch shows off of some website without being able to download, but people can still record it with a program/camcorder. technology is a blessing but will always be abused. and i don't see the governments of the world banning technology :P. i say they should screw worrying about internet piracy and world on colonizing space. :).

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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2012, 06:16:25 pm »
In all honesty, there will eventually be laws in place to protect copyrighted material online. What we need to do is find or draft a bill/act that will protect original content without completely controlling the free web. I just think people need to realize that pirating on the level it is now won't be around forever.

As much as we enjoy having all these things free at our disposal with little to no consequences, we have to be realistic about this and try to find a solid medium that keeps both sides happy.

I don't agree with the way these past bills/acts are written. I am in no way supporting the government controlling our internet. I am just being reasonable in saying that companies need to have their original work protected in some way.

The only way i can legally see this happening is if hardware companies put some kinda code in ALL hardware that wouldn't play downloaded/burnt material. and then they'd have to change their own DL coding a bit too so legal stuff (like say...games/movies/tv shows) that actually have a digital version meant to be DL'd and watched, would play fine. Obviously, the downside to this is that hackers are persistent and would find a way past it in most likely a short time, and companies wouldn't want to keep remaking/tweaking the coding of hardware all the time. of course, they could always make it so you can watch shows off of some website without being able to download, but people can still record it with a program/camcorder. technology is a blessing but will always be abused. and i don't see the governments of the world banning technology :P. i say they should screw worrying about internet piracy and world on colonizing space. :).

There will always be ways around hardware limitations, so even if the hardware companies did something it wouldn't work. the only way to stop piracy for good would be complete transparency of the internet, which we don't want (I don't really like it if people that put everything they do on facebook, say this, but even they have the right of filtering. I don't have facebook btw, so I'm allowed to say it XD)

Actually, colonizing space may be a more reachable target right now, considering that the OPERON accelerator accelerated matter (to be precise neutrionos) to about 7 km/s above the speed of light, which could remove the current limitation set by einstein, we could probably build space highways (linear accelerators) to bring us to distant planets rather fast. Of course the OPERON experiment still has to be verified...

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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2012, 07:47:38 pm »

Actually, colonizing space may be a more reachable target right now, considering that the OPERON accelerator accelerated matter (to be precise neutrionos) to about 7 km/s above the speed of light, which could remove the current limitation set by einstein, we could probably build space highways (linear accelerators) to bring us to distant planets rather fast. Of course the OPERON experiment still has to be verified...
i 've read in the newspaper that the clocks were offsync by around 60 nanoseconds.

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« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2012, 07:51:56 pm »
From as far as I know, they reproduced similar results each time, 7.9 km/s the first time, 7.4 the second and 7.2 the last time. They officially stated to have made all relevant corrections (even correcting the speed value downward a little). I doubt that something as massively financed as these projects will make the same mistake three times.

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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #70 on: February 24, 2012, 07:00:46 am »
In all honesty, there will eventually be laws in place to protect copyrighted material online. What we need to do is find or draft a bill/act that will protect original content without completely controlling the free web. I just think people need to realize that pirating on the level it is now won't be around forever.

As much as we enjoy having all these things free at our disposal with little to no consequences, we have to be realistic about this and try to find a solid medium that keeps both sides happy.

I don't agree with the way these past bills/acts are written. I am in no way supporting the government controlling our internet. I am just being reasonable in saying that companies need to have their original work protected in some way.

The only way i can legally see this happening is if hardware companies put some kinda code in ALL hardware that wouldn't play downloaded/burnt material. and then they'd have to change their own DL coding a bit too so legal stuff (like say...games/movies/tv shows) that actually have a digital version meant to be DL'd and watched, would play fine. Obviously, the downside to this is that hackers are persistent and would find a way past it in most likely a short time, and companies wouldn't want to keep remaking/tweaking the coding of hardware all the time. of course, they could always make it so you can watch shows off of some website without being able to download, but people can still record it with a program/camcorder. technology is a blessing but will always be abused. and i don't see the governments of the world banning technology :P. i say they should screw worrying about internet piracy and world on colonizing space. :).

To me the only real way to remove "piracy" is to embrace it. Like the old saying goes if you can't beat 'em join em' right. Besides if companies really want people to pay for things, they will if they give them a reason to. Look at bands, for example, a lot of them are now giving away free mp3's but for those who love music or the musician they pay to get a better version, WAV or FLAC versions of the song or hell even buying the CD. My favorite band has made packaging their CD's an art form. TOOL's last album "10,000 Days" was packaged with stereoscopic lenses and Stereoscopic pictures. Plus bands do more live shows, why? Because they make money off of the tickets, and fans go see their favorite band play their favorite songs live. There really is nothing like live music. So in the case of movies and anime's. Sell them with a hook like, a free figuring or signed copies. That always attracts my attention. Shoot if I could get a signed copy of the cast and crew of Evangelion I would buy that in a heartbeat. Or extend the movies session in theaters. I personally love going to the movies. It's loud, big, and sometimes 3D (sometimes its worth it but most of the time it really isn't but hey it seems to work for most people).  :laugh:
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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #72 on: March 02, 2012, 12:54:36 am »
Mine don't even seem to be turned on. Aside from that I never browse while logged in. And I use that "Do Not Track Plus" thingy so I can still keep my cookies turned on. I just wonder if using Chrome collects data about me too. Probably does...


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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #73 on: March 02, 2012, 02:30:28 am »
Mine don't even seem to be turned on. Aside from that I never browse while logged in. And I use that "Do Not Track Plus" thingy so I can still keep my cookies turned on. I just wonder if using Chrome collects data about me too. Probably does...

Well, whenever you go, it can collect data on you, so you need to make it active first, and then to delete the whole history of this site. Only then it will stop collecting data on you.

Turkey doesn't have the act because it's economy is based on piracy (for some part). Anyone who visited some minor touristspot knows about the bazaars there, with lots of adibas shoes and the like^^.

Forgot to add that Turkey is a Thirdworldian country, so don't give a matter to this corrupted country.

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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #74 on: March 02, 2012, 10:58:14 pm »
is this Google Chrome thingy also in firefox?

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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #75 on: March 02, 2012, 11:19:50 pm »
is this Google Chrome thingy also in firefox?

Chrome is a seperate browser.
Forgot to add that Turkey is a Thirdworldian country, so don't give a matter to this corrupted country.

Even if Turkey is a third world country, their economic output and their age demography put many countries (even within the EU) to shame.

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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #76 on: March 03, 2012, 10:19:42 pm »
Well, whenever you go, it can collect data on you, so you need to make it active first, and then to delete the whole history of this site. Only then it will stop collecting data on you.

I turned it on only to see that it was totally empty :). Not a single record. I set it to pause now. But it seems that there is no need to turn it on if it never was turned on before.


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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #77 on: March 03, 2012, 11:11:33 pm »
There will always be ways around hardware limitations, so even if the hardware companies did something it wouldn't work. the only way to stop piracy for good would be complete transparency of the internet, which we don't want (I don't really like it if people that put everything they do on facebook, say this, but even they have the right of filtering. I don't have facebook btw, so I'm allowed to say it XD)

Actually, colonizing space may be a more reachable target right now, considering that the OPERON accelerator accelerated matter (to be precise neutrionos) to about 7 km/s above the speed of light, which could remove the current limitation set by einstein, we could probably build space highways (linear accelerators) to bring us to distant planets rather fast. Of course the OPERON experiment still has to be verified...

But the tech is already here to effectively reduce the misuse by the majority.  For example, uploading a clip of some anime on YouTube automatically gets it banned and me a warning, by some watermark in the image.  While watching a scene release on the PS3, it stops halfway due to some watermark in the audio.  There's ways around it, but more than enough to deter the general public.  But for some reason it's not implemented as widespread as you'd think.  IMO, they are letting it go rampant to help push for more outrageous laws such as what we've been seeing.  Probably why I see that foreign companies use it, like unlicensed Anime, while domestic shows don't.  Without the numbers showing the misuse (that they don't really try to prevent), they would not be able to push for such new copyright laws.
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Re: Help the ACTA and TPP protests this Saturday
« Reply #78 on: March 05, 2012, 11:46:00 pm »
Forgot to add that Turkey is a Thirdworldian country, so don't give a matter to this corrupted country.

Even if Turkey is a third world country, their economic output and their age demography put many countries (even within the EU) to shame.

It's not the economical and demographical the reasons it's called Thirdworldian. It's because in the whole history, Turkey destroyed not only Greece and Cyprus, but also Armenia. They do not have Human Rights, thus making it a thirldworldian country. They do NOT have even democracy, like we Greeks do.

Even nowadays, they keep provoking us. Sooner or later, they'll get what they deserve, if they keep it up.

So it's not to be in shame.
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