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BakaBT => Announcements => Topic started by: Duki3003 on April 27, 2016, 11:55:38 pm

Title: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Duki3003 on April 27, 2016, 11:55:38 pm
New Category icons:
Last February we held a contest for designing a new icon set for our torrent categories. Considering our requirements were quite high, not as many participants applied as we hoped. However, we did get several quality submissions to choose from. The winning icon set we chose was designed by Mistgun_Zero (https://bakabt.me/user/1037744/mistgun-zero).

So congratulations, and thank you for your patience and hard work these past months.
We spent quite a bit of time tweaking the original submission to get an even better result.
And I'll also take this opportunity to thank everyone who participated in the contest.

Light Novels:
The new icon set also made it possible for us to to finally implement the long requested: Light Novel (https://bakabt.me/browse.php?cat=9) category.

Tracker avatars:
Thanks to the coding efforts of brunoais, all tracker avatars will now be hosted securely on BakaSHOTS.
You can still use external hosts if you prefer, but only if they support HTTPS.
As far as the user interface is concerned, nothing has changed. Upload your avatar to any imagehost of your choosing, and if they offer only http links you will be notified that your avatar will be stored on BakaSHOTS instead. If your image url has https, it will use the provided link. Everything is set to work seamlessly, and as a result you won't see insecure content warnings in your browser because of avatar images.

Other updates:
● The Lossless tag will now be represented by a mic - idea by mateka (https://bakabt.me/user/504377/mateka) (+2000 bonus points).
● A number of backend improvements and stability fixes.

NOTICE:
We're still working on debugging the new tracker, so please submit any issues you encounter in the previous thread (https://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=45754), not here.
After a few days of testing the new tracker under full load we will be switching the tracker port from the current 2710 to 8443, so you will need to update your running torrents. However, this will be announced, so no changes are required as of yet.

-Duki3003
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: dafpunk on April 28, 2016, 12:01:23 am
the new icons are nice and all, but they are TOO BIG!
how can i make them as small as the old ones?
these big ones take too much screen space
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Morellet on April 28, 2016, 12:06:23 am
The Hentai OVA icon with the tentacles cracks me up. :laugh: I like the Light Novel icon a lot too.

Thanks a lot too to the staff for the behind-the-scenes stuff and security improvements. :yes:
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on April 28, 2016, 12:21:52 am
Oh boy, this gonna take some getting used to.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Shohei-kun on April 28, 2016, 12:48:33 am
Thankfully I dont have many active torrents at the moment, but I imagine changing all of the tracker ports will be obnoxious.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Tylerr on April 28, 2016, 01:20:14 am
these are ugly, why are they so huge?
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ASecondChance on April 28, 2016, 01:35:55 am
its gonna take some time to get used to the new icons but they are clearer now so that's a plus. thanks for all the changes and those involved.

i wonder if changing ports is easy with tixati? i have everything on seed right now so is gonna be hard to do it 1 by 1 (and im not even sure if i can do it lol)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ridon428 on April 28, 2016, 01:38:35 am
these are ugly, why are they so huge?
A bit of resizing down would help. Still better, though.

Man, the icons are awesome!!! They should've made this category icon competition before the site overhaul ;)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Koby on April 28, 2016, 01:38:58 am
Definitely needs to be resized smaller...
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Verisar on April 28, 2016, 01:58:27 am
2,140 Items in my seed folder, im hoping there is an easy way to change all the ports?
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Zaraki on April 28, 2016, 02:06:40 am
So changing the port basically means you need to edit your tracker from
Code: [Select]
http://tracker.bakabt.me:2710/<your torrent pass>/announce.php
to
Code: [Select]
http://tracker.bakabt.me:8443/<your torrent pass>/announce.php


Changing the tracker is very easy on µtorrent/bittorrent. Just select all relevant torrents and go to properties to edit the tracker at once.


I also have experience with rtorrent. There is a folder called .session (/home/<user>/.../.session) where the client stores all .torrent files. Grab those files and use a tracker editor (https://github.com/GerryFerdinandus/bittorrent-tracker-editor/releases) app to edit all torrent trackers at one go. After that replace the torrent files in the .session folder and restart rtorrent.
(Don't touch the other files in the .session folder! Those contain your resume data and torrent statistics. Removing the resume data means you need to rehash all files which needs time and some disk load. Also one more thing: the .session folder contains all torrents. So if you have non BBT torrents, you need to find a way to exclude those, because the tracker editor I use can only batch edit all torrents in 1 folder. You don't want to change non BBT torrents into BBT torrents, right?)


I spend some time trying this with Deluge, but unfortunately I wasn't able to succeed. I don't use other torrent clients, so you need to figure those out yourself.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on April 28, 2016, 02:14:13 am
^ if you use an android client, only FLUD supports editing the tracker port. (for free, at least)

But it must be done one torrent at a time sadly.

Anyone know how to do it with rTorrent? E: nevermind

Also, the update appears to have killed bakashots tid matching for some torrents.
The browse list sort by added date no longer works.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Morellet on April 28, 2016, 03:23:10 am
One issue I see with the icons is that they have some "jaggies," like in the "V" in the "OVA" icon (e.g.: https://bakabt.me/torrent/183901/exper-zenon-domo-ppp-sub). I guess this could be fixed with more anti-aliasing? And the white "stripes" on the far right and far left of the popcorn container from the "Movie" icon also have these jaggies.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on April 28, 2016, 03:30:06 am
One issue I see with the icons is that they have some "jaggies," like in the "V" in the "OVA" icon (e.g.: https://bakabt.me/torrent/183901/exper-zenon-domo-ppp-sub). I guess this could be fixed with more anti-aliasing? And the white "stripes" on the far right and far left of the popcorn container from the "Movie" icon also have these jaggies.
You can't antaliase, they're SVG files, the jaggiws are on your end.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/2544/mXef4f.jpg)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Morellet on April 28, 2016, 03:43:28 am
I don't think it's an issue on "my end" but rather just with using SVG graphics/not anti-aliasing. Like, SVG is great because it scales so well/without any degradation in quality, but using vectors like this means that you get those sharp lines/jaggies as a result.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on April 28, 2016, 03:46:23 am
I'm not seeing any prominent aliasing on the "V" though? Nothing more than the A. I had to zoom in a substantial amount to see that too.

What I did notice, is that the gap between the top and bottom of the "A" and "V" is not consistent.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Morellet on April 28, 2016, 03:54:05 am
I definitely see noticeable aliasing/jaggies in a few places. Here's a screenshot I just took to show this:
https://jii.moe/Vyx-sIqxb.png
This is from Chrome 49.0.2623.112 at 400% zoom. The popcorn looks great and is totally smooth, but the sides of the popcorn container and the white stripes on the left and the right have jaggies. I don't see such pronounced jaggies in the torrent title, even though it's also using vectors for scaling.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Morellet on April 28, 2016, 04:01:24 am
Wow, yours looks so much better!! Krudda, what browser are you using? Is it just a browser issue or something? Why do they come out all jaggy for me?(T_T)

Edit:
E: did you change the image? Coukd have sworn your post had a jpg
Nope, I didn't change anything. I deliberately saved as PNG so that there was no chance that possible image compression would affect the image quality.

Edit 2: Hmm, maybe it's time to stop using Chrome and switch back to Firefox.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on April 28, 2016, 04:08:04 am
Wopps, removed post by accident.
I'm using an android browser which is based on Google Chrome (desktop) version ~11
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: 11letters on April 28, 2016, 04:38:16 am
the new icons are nice and all, but they are TOO BIG!
how can i make them as small as the old ones?
these big ones take too much screen space
I don't know how small the old ones were but you can change the size of the icons with a simple user style like this one, which reduces the icon size by 25%:

@-moz-document url-prefix("https://bakabt.me/"), url-prefix("http://bakabt.me/"), url-prefix("https://bakabt.me/description") {
 
 
/* Line 556 */
.torrent_icon
{
  width: 66.7px;
  height: 37.5px;
}

}
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Astara on April 28, 2016, 05:12:01 am
2,140 Items in my seed folder, im hoping there is an easy way to change all the ports?
----
Yeah, similar situation though not quite as intense.  W/transmission w/the windows GUI (not actually part of the transmission project, but gives a utorrent-like interface using transmission's RPC interface.gui.  One can multi-select torrents and change some things, but not everything.  Fortunately, it *looks* like changing the port is one of those things that can be changed via mass selection.

Perhaps of more interest: why the port change?  It *seems* an unknown amount of work for all users (maybe trivial, maybe a pain), but how does it benefit the site?

-l
p.s. Nice work on the new icons...

Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: jiop on April 28, 2016, 07:17:23 am
A. Why are they so huge and have no scalability?
B. new icons takes longer time to load into browser memory/cache > page freeze (time varies between machines and browsers+page type > user/browse/offers/adopt). I blame Data URIs (http://davidbcalhoun.com/2011/when-to-base64-encode-images-and-when-not-to/).

C. HTTPs links for forum avatars aren't supported.

btw, does anyone have the old icon sprites?
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: SkybladeNox on April 28, 2016, 07:51:46 am
I like the new icons, though I agree that they're a bit bigger than necessary. One issue I have with them though is that it's nearly impossible to see the favorite and wishlist icons on them now. The icons themselves are too small in comparison to the category icons, and they're also in a position that makes it difficult to see at a glance.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Verisar on April 28, 2016, 08:39:38 am
So changing the port basically means you need to edit your tracker from
Code: [Select]
http://tracker.bakabt.me:2710/<your torrent pass>/announce.php
to
Code: [Select]
http://tracker.bakabt.me:8443/<your torrent pass>/announce.php


Changing the tracker is very easy on µtorrent/bittorrent. Just select all relevant torrents and go to properties to edit the tracker at once.


I also have experience with rtorrent. There is a folder called .session (/home/<user>/.../.session) where the client stores all .torrent files. Grab those files and use a tracker editor (https://github.com/GerryFerdinandus/bittorrent-tracker-editor/releases) app to edit all torrent trackers at one go. After that replace the torrent files in the .session folder and restart rtorrent.
(Don't touch the other files in the .session folder! Those contain your resume data and torrent statistics. Removing the resume data means you need to rehash all files which needs time and some disk load. Also one more thing: the .session folder contains all torrents. So if you have non BBT torrents, you need to find a way to exclude those, because the tracker editor I use can only batch edit all torrents in 1 folder. You don't want to change non BBT torrents into BBT torrents, right?)


I spend some time trying this with Deluge, but unfortunately I wasn't able to succeed. I don't use other torrent clients, so you need to figure those out yourself.
Thanks quite easy with the link to the editor like you said.
I could probably make a rutorrent picture guide if it would be helpful.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Duki3003 on April 28, 2016, 10:00:14 am
Perhaps of more interest: why the port change?  It *seems* an unknown amount of work for all users (maybe trivial, maybe a pain), but how does it benefit the site?

It does, quite a lot, the port change is required. As you may have noticed we're for the most part protected behind CloudFlare to help mitigate DOS attacks.
However currently the tracker is the only exposed element. Once we finish debugging we'll need to change the port to one that they support, and we'll be fully covered.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Niva on April 28, 2016, 10:06:42 am
I like the new incos, but as it was allready said they are a bit to big. Also I want to ask, how I change the port at my Vuze client. I have no expirience with such a thing.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: skiene09 on April 28, 2016, 01:59:14 pm
The icons looks good but if its going to THAT big might as well put a cover for the series inside TV/Book instead of it being just a mecha head.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: mateka on April 28, 2016, 04:03:44 pm
Cool icons  :mml: and now that they are vector images, they'll always look good.

Next up, automatic rescaling of the page depending on the resolution of the monitor ;)

Guys, I gotta hand it to you, AB will never be as good as BakaBT  8)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ray1301 on April 28, 2016, 04:12:20 pm
Gotta say I prefer the old icons, small and compact and less intrusive. Now they are huge and I can't help but take my eyes off them as I am looking at the list as I browse. It's too notice and detracts away from me focusing on the titles.

Wish there was a revert to old option. Not really sure why there was a change needed in the first place.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Riuujin on April 28, 2016, 04:21:00 pm
The new icons are nice, but they are to big and distract from the rest of the page.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Harusame on April 28, 2016, 04:29:59 pm
I agree with most of the sentiment here. The icons, while they look good, are too big. To the point of looking ridiculous and out of place, as if my browser had an issue loading the site.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Zynos on April 28, 2016, 05:21:33 pm
Nice icons but like everyone said already, icons waaaaaaay too big.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: oychtim on April 28, 2016, 05:49:03 pm
Thank you for the category. I wonder who suggested and begged for a light novel group so long ago :whistle:
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ridon428 on April 28, 2016, 06:33:12 pm
C'mon, everyone. A lot of people hated the site overhaul and we are now used to it. The same thing will happen with the new category icons.

Regarding with the tracker, I'll just wait for you guys to finish before I get back to seeding. Hopefully, you'll announce it ;)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: juggalojohn on April 28, 2016, 06:40:04 pm
I agree the icons are too big.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: jiop on April 28, 2016, 06:53:15 pm
B. new icons takes longer time to load into browser memory/cache > page freeze (time varies between machines and browsers+page type > user/browse/offers/adopt). I blame Data URIs (http://davidbcalhoun.com/2011/when-to-base64-encode-images-and-when-not-to/).

There was a sharp spike in RAM usage when I tried to load the Adopt page, page froze for 15-20 sec.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Duki3003 on April 28, 2016, 08:12:32 pm
There are many fine details which would be lost and wouldn't look as good if we used original dimensions.
We tried several different scales and slightly bigger looked best. We didn't scale them up too much (around 5-10px), and I fairly certain that most people to whom they seem too big are either using lower resolution than 1920x1080 or it just seems that way because they were used to the old layout.

We'll consider tweaking the size a bit, but I'm certain someone will provide a script to resize the icons. They are SVG after all.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: minus on April 28, 2016, 08:26:49 pm
2,140 Items in my seed folder, im hoping there is an easy way to change all the ports?
----
Yeah, similar situation though not quite as intense.  W/transmission w/the windows GUI (not actually part of the transmission project, but gives a utorrent-like interface using transmission's RPC interface.gui.  One can multi-select torrents and change some things, but not everything.  Fortunately, it *looks* like changing the port is one of those things that can be changed via mass selection.

Perhaps of more interest: why the port change?  It *seems* an unknown amount of work for all users (maybe trivial, maybe a pain), but how does it benefit the site?

-l
p.s. Nice work on the new icons...

Transmission should be fairly easy, it's got a JSON API, so it's easily scripted.

For replacing the announce URL in Deluge I wrote a Python script that uses Deluge's API a while back. I'll update & post it when the change happens.


Will the new port be HTTPS (8443 suggests so) or will HTTPS be supported?
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: surdumil on April 28, 2016, 08:32:54 pm
I think the new icons look just fine.

I just noticed a new thing that's quite intriguing.  Maybe its been there for a while and I've simply not noticed.
A bounty on adoptions?  Most interesting!
I wonder how that works.  I'll have to browse the wiki and find out more. cajole someone into adding details in the wiki  :)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Duki3003 on April 28, 2016, 09:31:59 pm
That's not so new. Bounty works as you'd expect it.
Upon successful competition of an adoption, depending on the work you invested you'll either get the 1/10th of the bounty (for minimal or no changes, if none are required), full bounty, 1.5x bounty for a really good job, or 2.5x bounty for excellent work. The amount you receive is, of course, at the supervising mod discretion.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Astara on April 28, 2016, 11:38:43 pm
I agree the icons are too big.
B. new icons takes longer time to load into browser memory/cache > page freeze (time varies between machines and browsers+page type > user/browse/offers/adopt).
---
How can a new icon that is under 100 bytes, 1 was 8k, that is stored in 1 place
for all pages (the css sheet), take more time to load than old icons that were all
separate files?  Here, you load the style sheet once, and you are done.  If your
screen froze, it's likely because a slow cpu will take more time to draw out the icons
from a few words of instructions than if you have a fat pipe and need to pull in
the same file 100's of times.

Quote
There was a sharp spike in RAM usage when I tried to load the Adopt page, page froze for 15-20 sec. 

Well it is a 309K page that needs to be parsed by your browser -- but no other files are loaded.  is 309K a large amount of memory on your machine?

I've noticed on a single-cpu browser like FF or a derivative, the page display is more cpu bound.  But that's because all of the rendering is done in 1 thread.  Not much way to fix that on FF, might try some other browsers for comparison.


Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: jiop on April 29, 2016, 03:50:52 am
It's not because of size (and each file is 50KB), it's because they are encoded. Browser needs time to decode and present the data bits as images to you. If image to data URI isn't tested and optimized properly, the final size of the decoded image will be bigger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base64#MIME) than the original files themselves. And Base64 encoded images take longer time render by the browser than native file format. Multiply 50KB with total number of torrents per page (= number of icons) for each page > browse, offers, adopt, search... that makes it CPU heavy. I'm not talking about a single icon.
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Like you said, in single-threaded browser like FF and it's forks, rendering is more CPU bound and the rendering performance take's a dive during paint process
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. But that's only only part of the problem.
I don't have the RAM spike issue for new icons on Google Chrome. But that's not my daily driver and it has it's own memory issues with multiple tabs. Chrome uses a separate process per tab, which Google claims is a good thing. But in practice it can slow your system down. Try opening and using over 10 tabs on Google Chrome vs Firefox. Check their total memory footprint.

Base64 encoding images is good practice usually only for very small images that are going to be used together like CSS sprites and saving the server request is more important than cacheability. Comparability with loader browser's is also an issue where there's a size limit for base64. These are some of the issues with this implementation.

I fairly certain that most people to whom they seem too big are either using lower resolution than 1920x1080
It's not the resolution, it's DPI. High DPI screens like Apple MacBook, Retina and Chromebook Pixel, the icons seems fine. But why assume everyone is running a High DPI monitor? If you wanna serve large images for that kind of screens, use @media queries and frameworks like RetinaJS (http://imulus.github.io/retinajs/) or RetinaScales (http://retinaimag.es/).
And you might wanna alternate text so the placeholder isn't blank if the images aren't loaded. For example:
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Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Tylerr on April 29, 2016, 03:57:01 am
There are many fine details which would be lost and wouldn't look as good if we used original dimensions.
We tried several different scales and slightly bigger looked best. We didn't scale them up too much (around 5-10px), and I fairly certain that most people to whom they seem too big are either using lower resolution than 1920x1080 or it just seems that way because they were used to the old layout.

We'll consider tweaking the size a bit, but I'm certain someone will provide a script to resize the icons. They are SVG after all.

I'm on 1080p, they are too big.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on April 29, 2016, 04:13:06 am
They're not that bad, really.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Spectralfire on April 29, 2016, 05:51:48 am
They're not that bad, really.

Krudda's getting old and needs big icons. I don't really mind them, but as someone else pointed out they seem to look out of place compared to the listing. I think it's due to how large the icon text is vs the listing text size, which is making people think they are much bigger than the old icons.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on April 29, 2016, 06:22:06 am
The old icons had more whitespace, even though the file dimensions aren't much different. That acounts for a bit of it I think.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ridon428 on April 29, 2016, 10:13:25 am
C'mon, everyone. A lot of people hated the site overhaul and we are now used to it. The same thing will happen with the new category icons.
Yes, I agree. The icons are too big for now. Let's be real here. We'll eventually get used to those big icons sooner or later.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on April 29, 2016, 11:03:04 am
C'mon, everyone. A lot of people hated the site overhaul and we are now used to it. The same thing will happen with the new category icons.
Yes, I agree. The icons are too big for now. Let's be real here. We'll eventually get used to those big icons sooner or later.
No, I still hate it. I just put up with it.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ridon428 on April 29, 2016, 01:31:43 pm
No, I still hate it. I just put up with it.
You'll lose that hatred sooner ;)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: rahx360 on April 29, 2016, 01:48:45 pm
Why is every change for the worse? Site overhaul was not good. I used to visit everyday but now I have to force myself every week or so. Less readability, hiding in menu's resulting in seeing less and more pointless clicking to create more white space.
Who thought these new icons were better? The Blind? Everything gets flatter and flatter (except anime boobs). There was a time when things were more 3D, had depth to it, so it was much easier to see and read. Even when being so big, many desktop or laptop users here, pages are still 50% white space.

Why need make setting where we can choose old site design, old icons, doesn't take much work since it was already made.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Harusame on April 29, 2016, 04:10:14 pm
The more I look at the new icons the more I really just do not like them. They aren't icons more than section titles with a thumbnail. Maybe add some more color to the titles to differentiate them some more? Because right now it's all white against white, with a splash of black that got sneezed on with color.

If there was a way to decide between "Legacy" and "Current" icons would honestly just make everyone happy. Because due to the size and fact that the new "icons" are nothing more than titles looks totally off.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Cashdaxxx on April 29, 2016, 04:49:59 pm
I don't want to be the douche hipster to say 'the old icon fits better than the new ones', but that's my honest sentiment.
It just looks so out of place, heck I'm still not even used to the everything-in-bold-letters homepage.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ridon428 on April 29, 2016, 04:50:12 pm
Since a lot people disagree with the new site design, we would like to have an option to choose themes (like AnimeBytes) under settings.
only two option:
1) the old BakaBT (before the site overhaul) with the old icons
2) the new BakaBT (after the site overhaul) with the new icons

Pretty please?
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Duki3003 on April 29, 2016, 05:54:59 pm
Highly unlikely
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Denton on April 30, 2016, 12:33:07 am
I strongly dislike the new icons.

 :(
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Duki3003 on April 30, 2016, 12:45:39 am
Well, you should've applied and made us some better ones, the contest was open for all.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on April 30, 2016, 02:50:31 am
Since a lot people disagree with the new site design, we would like to have an option to choose themes (like AnimeBytes) under settings.
only two option:
1) the old BakaBT (before the site overhaul) with the old icons
2) the new BakaBT (after the site overhaul) with the new icons

Pretty please?
They already denied us last time.
Perhaps I will go ahead and finish what I started - if you recall I was going to make a stylesheet to 'repair' BBT as much as I could at the last website change. Life got busy so I never finished it but maybe now I should. You can apply it to BBT with some firefox and chrome add-ons.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Norad on April 30, 2016, 04:42:09 am
i vote "yes" for smaller icons.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: jiop on April 30, 2016, 04:44:16 am
@Krudda

This is what I'm doing with Stylish add-on. You might wanna add a background image (sprite) (http://bakabt.me/images/icons.png) or iconic font-face like FontAwesome to replace the text for each icon.

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Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ASecondChance on April 30, 2016, 05:09:57 am
So changing the port basically means you need to edit your tracker from
Code: [Select]
http://tracker.bakabt.me:2710/<your torrent pass>/announce.php
to
Code: [Select]
http://tracker.bakabt.me:8443/<your torrent pass>/announce.php


Changing the tracker is very easy on µtorrent/bittorrent. Just select all relevant torrents and go to properties to edit the tracker at once.


thanks, checking out tixati seems fairly easy just tedious because it opens up each torrent selected though maybe if i look more there is a way to do it all at once (if it's possible at all)

EDIT: wow, i forgot i have zoom of 125% on baka (because the old icons were too small) that made the new icons bigger than they actually are lol
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: AsaNoHikari on April 30, 2016, 05:36:49 am
The old icons were 65 px x 37 px.  The new icons are 89 px x 50 px.  That's 1.85 times larger than before.

I can live with the fact that I think the icons are ugly, mismatched and not readily distinguishable, but they are absolutely huge on my 4k, 24" monitor.  About 3/8" x 5/8", and that's with only 125% scaling instead of the standard 200%.  They're about twice as tall as the average entry in the browse list, which produces tons of wasted space.  That means less stuff on the screen, more time scrolling through lists, and more time spent trying to find what you want.  If you're worried about readability, they still look perfectly fine when scaled far below the old size--if anything, they look better at that size.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: dirb on April 30, 2016, 06:20:23 am
Transmission should be fairly easy, it's got a JSON API, so it's easily scripted.
In fact it is more simple with transmission, transmission come with a cli utility called transmission-edit that it can modify torrent files announce urls, its man page come with a example of updating tracker passcode:
Code: sh [Select]

transmission-edit -r old-passcode new-passcode ~/.config/transmission/torrents/*\.torrent

it work also to update the port number, just change old-passcode to 2710 and new-passcode to 8443
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: xgraphy on April 30, 2016, 12:33:35 pm
There is a stylish script to restore old icons here: https://userstyles.org/styles/127264/bakabt-restore-old-icons
It also has a light novel icon.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Aemony on April 30, 2016, 12:41:12 pm
There is a stylish script to restore old icons here: https://userstyles.org/styles/127264/bakabt-restore-old-icons
It also has a light novel icon.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: sumeragix on April 30, 2016, 01:11:45 pm
There is a stylish script to restore old icons here: https://userstyles.org/styles/127264/bakabt-restore-old-icons
It also has a light novel icon.
Thx. Now the entries are no longer spaced so much.
I have one problem though: the "new" LN icon does show but not the other old ones. My browser tells me that http://www.bakabt.me/images/icons.png is currently unavailable  ???
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: AsaNoHikari on April 30, 2016, 03:35:08 pm
There is a stylish script to restore old icons here: https://userstyles.org/styles/127264/bakabt-restore-old-icons
It also has a light novel icon.

Much obliged!
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Nui on April 30, 2016, 07:40:04 pm
The aliasing is bad :(. Is that my browsers fault? Not that it matters, since it happens with Chrome, Vivaldi, IE and Firefox. Only edge seems to blur them... so much it makes it even worse.

There is a stylish script to restore old icons here: https://userstyles.org/styles/127264/bakabt-restore-old-icons
It also has a light novel icon.
thx!


And now that I tested the old icons, its obvious the new ones just waste space. And forget that lower than 1080p nonsense. I'd waste screen space on these, no matter what resolution I use (which is 1080p btw).
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Harusame on May 01, 2016, 03:43:57 am
There is a stylish script to restore old icons here: https://userstyles.org/styles/127264/bakabt-restore-old-icons
It also has a light novel icon.

Thank you so much! Too bad we have to resort to using 3rd party plugins to get a choice in the matter.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: BONKERS on May 01, 2016, 06:35:10 am
The new icons actually look well proportioned to me. An option to resize them wouldn't hurt though.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on May 01, 2016, 08:22:57 am
The new icons actually look well proportioned to me. An option to resize them wouldn't hurt though.

I also think they're well proportioned. You have enough room for:
Torrent Title
Two lines of keywords.

I don't know what everyone else here is seeing, but at 100% zoom this is how I see BBT on a desktop:
(http://puu.sh/oC5HO/45fce9449c.png)

Notice how the icon is pretty much the same height as two lines of keywords?
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ridon428 on May 01, 2016, 09:14:17 am
I just noticed that Light novel has small letter "n" instead of "N". Is it a mistake or just natural?

Edit: If you are still listening to suggestions, I'd like to suggest that the "uploaded" icon be replaced with an icon of an arrow up. We all know that Arrow up means "upload" in some part of the internet ;)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Aemony on May 01, 2016, 12:29:10 pm
The new icons actually look well proportioned to me. An option to resize them wouldn't hurt though.

I also think they're well proportioned. You have enough room for:
Torrent Title
Two lines of keywords.

I don't know what everyone else here is seeing, but at 100% zoom this is how I see BBT on a desktop:
(http://puu.sh/oC5HO/45fce9449c.png)

Notice how the icon is pretty much the same height as two lines of keywords?

Before: http://i.imgur.com/N1b2gxL.png
After: http://i.imgur.com/RTcMypi.png

(tip: open both in a tab each and switch between them to make the difference obvious)

Do you notice how the same amount of information now for some reason takes up additional height?

#

Since my previous replies in this thread is hardly any help at all I've listed all issues and concerns I have regarding the new icons in the list below. Hopefully this will help the designer further.




At the core of it the new icons suffers from the same issue that the old icons also did: They both include a visual representation of an object as well as a text describing that same object.

There is absolutely no reason why the icon should include TEXT of all things. A good icon speaks for itself, however both these icons and the old ones requires additional description using text since the visual representations are bad enough that no one can infer what the icon indicates without reading the text.

The only good example of correct icons in both the new icons and the old ones are the Manga, Hentai Manga and Artbook icons (+ the 'old' Light Novel icon). These all follow the same design regardless of type of content because they're all books of some kind, whether that be a hentai manga book, a normal manga book, an artbook or a visual novel.

We only have 11 different categories. These can be divided into the following types:
Books: Manga, Hentai Manga, Artbook, Light Novel
Videos: Anime Series, OVA, Hentai OVA, Anime Movie, Music Video, Live Action
Music: Soundtrack

That allows us to make a Venn diagram that looks something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/5trW6mp.png)

From there the work is simple. Design a base template for Books, Videos, Music and Hentai. Use a combination of Books + Hentai to indicate Hentai Manga, Videos + Hentai to indicate Hentai OVAs, and Videos + Music to indicate Music Videos. The rest can use easily recognizable images to separate between the subcategories in each.

With a design like that you won't even need text on the icons, because the icons speaks for themselves regardless of format.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: akuu on May 01, 2016, 06:10:09 pm
Horrible icons ... coarse ... seem icons of a low quality web site  :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
Were much better pictures than before  ;)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Mcorther on May 01, 2016, 08:57:51 pm
/BIG POST/

Thanks for that, you've summed up all my rarely spoken sentiments at least. Developing an alternative on userstyles (http://www.userstyles.org) will probably be the path of least friction, imo though.

I doubt any more ranting and raving will get anything changed.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Morellet on May 01, 2016, 09:25:10 pm
I just noticed that Light novel has small letter "n" instead of "N". Is it a mistake or just natural?
Hmm, well it's inconsistent with how the new "Music Video" and "Live Action" icons are written in title case, so I think it's probably worth changing it to "Light Novel."
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Jio on May 01, 2016, 09:54:40 pm
The only good example of correct icons in both the new icons and the old ones are the Manga, Hentai Manga and Artbook icons (+ the 'old' Light Novel icon). These all follow the same design regardless of type of content because they're all books of some kind, whether that be a hentai manga book, a normal manga book, an artbook or a visual novel.
Do we actually have visual novels on bbt? And if yes, why didnt they get their own category?
Or did you mean light novels?
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on May 01, 2016, 11:03:04 pm
There was never an 'old' Light Novel icon. The 'Manga' icon was substituted.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: AsaNoHikari on May 02, 2016, 12:41:00 am
Wall of Awesomeness
You got a lot of the stuff I noticed, but here's a few more points:

Shape:  On most of them, the icon is limited to the right 40% of the image, but in three of them hentai OVA, soundtrack and series, the icon spans the entire image.  Why?  There's no relation between these three, so the shape of the icon isn't actually giving us any information, despite how much it stands out.

Style:  I don't really like the skeomorphic style, but if you're going to use it, you should use it on all of the icons.  Light novel has some pseudo-3-D styling; OVA looks like a disc behind some weird cylinder (yeah, WTF is that); series, hentai OVA and live action have gradients.  Pick a style and apply it to all of the icons, mix and match looks like crap.

Color:  The color of the icon could (should) be used to help distinguish between similar icons.  The difference between artbook and manga is a good example. The only colors used are red, blue, orange, purple and pink.  Don't use pink.  Most of us have picked up that pink is heavily used to indicate hentai material.  So, you don't even need special icons for hentai material, just take the existing icon for OVA or manga and make it pink.  Don't use that purple either.  It's too similar to pink and the row highlight color.  Pick a different hue or shade if you want to use purple.  The colors really need to stand out from the background, even if you're using pink to indicate a hentai work, the pink should stand out.

Text:  I agree, it shouldn't be necessary.  A good set of icons should obviate the need for text.  I also find it odd that manga is the only icon with Japanese text on the image.

As Aemony points out, the icons for related categories should look similar.  We should be able to tell very quickly whether something is audio, video or images.  The distinction between a movie, a series, an OVA and a live action movie is minor and the category icons should accordingly have fewer differences between them.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on May 02, 2016, 12:59:51 am
The "weird cylinder" on the OVA icon is rather obviously a DVD case, since all OVA are released direct-to-DVD
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: lololitas on May 02, 2016, 01:02:29 am
^actually it reminds me more of an old VHS case with it's shape.


it's nice of you that you bring out all your suggestions and constructive criticism now, however where were you guys 4 months ago (https://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=45376.0)?

I can agree with quite a few points (except for the no-text option), but those were needed ages ago, not now.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Krudda on May 02, 2016, 01:21:46 am
Reminds me of VHS also.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: der richter on May 02, 2016, 03:33:56 am
There was never an 'old' Light Novel icon. The 'Manga' icon was substituted.

since he is emphasising 'old' with some quotes additional to having it as an extra in brackets i believe he is referring to the Light Novel icon (http://s32.postimg.org/atzymy5ox/image.png") used in the userstyle.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Spectralfire on May 02, 2016, 11:01:55 am
it's nice of you that you bring out all your suggestions and constructive criticism now, however where were you guys 4 months ago (https://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=45376.0)?

I can agree with quite a few points (except for the no-text option), but those were needed ages ago, not now.

Probably not in that thread since most people would feel that they had to actually have the skills to create the icons to bother reading beyond the first post. However to offer constructive criticism you don't need to be able to actually create icons.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Ph33rViper on May 02, 2016, 12:08:43 pm
I have been using BakaBT for a very long time (10+ years) and those new icons are awful.

I am sure these things can be improved but the old set are much better.

I am using a 1080p LCD monitor and they are too big. The text looks jaggy and the aliasing no doubt can be improved.

If I were to be able to design these icons, I would look at the old ones and try and think of how to improve the "look" of them thinking about technology of the 80's, 90's and today.

I appreciate that that site can be improved over time but I get the impression that those icons are not for a profesional site. This is really my own opinion :)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ridon428 on May 02, 2016, 12:20:11 pm
The people who complain a lot are the people who're the least active in the community :laugh:

In my opinion, I like the icons. The site's modernization (in terms of design) is complete. Why do we need an icon of a CRT television if the mainstream displays are already flat panels? Why do we use VHS if we already have discs? Why do we use a CD icon if the music these days are stored in our portable storage devices? (Well, I have no problem with those musical notes. They look fine)

It's more flat look and fits best on the site design. The old icons, however, fits best on the old site design.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: per on May 02, 2016, 09:53:46 pm
How can a new icon that is under 100 bytes, 1 was 8k, that is stored in 1 place
for all pages (the css sheet), take more time to load than old icons that were all
separate files?  Here, you load the style sheet once, and you are done.  If your
screen froze, it's likely because a slow cpu will take more time to draw out the icons
from a few words of instructions than if you have a fat pipe and need to pull in
the same file 100's of times.

Each time a data: url is used a new unique image is decoded/created unless something I am not aware of stops that (since I write browsers as my job, I think it's likely this is not the case)

If the data is in a file it's only decoded and loaded once, so quite the opposite. Also, it's cached between pages, magic!

http://frontend.co.il/articles/avoid-data-uris-english

https://www.mobify.com/blog/data-uris-are-slow-on-mobile/

As for the new icons, they really are a bit too large. Also, that font... >_<

And there is no consistency. Please stick to some kind of theme?
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: jiop on May 02, 2016, 10:41:04 pm
You must be joking when you say current BBT icons are flat. Putting gradient gloss is the opposite of flat design.

(http://i.imgur.com/FMuUoot.png) (http://i.imgur.com/aQG6IzD.png)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ridon428 on May 03, 2016, 12:07:54 am
You must be joking when you say current BBT icons are flat. Putting gradient gloss is the opposite of flat design.

Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
The new icons look 2D. The old icons are somehow in 3D drawing. Not including the new Soundtrack icon. You're a great artist, you should've joined the category icons competition
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Memfispaladi on May 03, 2016, 01:52:38 am
it sucks
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Cashdaxxx on May 03, 2016, 04:54:02 am
There is a stylish script to restore old icons here: https://userstyles.org/styles/127264/bakabt-restore-old-icons
It also has a light novel icon.
Thanks for this, I find it quite bad that we had to resort to userscripts
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: nguyenquan1 on May 03, 2016, 06:42:26 am
NOTICE:
We're still working on debugging the new tracker, so please submit any issues you encounter in the previous thread (https://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=45754), not here.
After a few days of testing the new tracker under full load we will be switching the tracker port from the current 2710 to 8443, so you will need to update your running torrents. However, this will be announced, so no changes are required as of yet.
-Duki3003
changed port from 2710 to new 8433 --> can not seed any torrent, old and new
change again  to port 2710 --> seed all torrents
so that mean we don't need change torrent port now?  :sleep:
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Al_Sleeper on May 03, 2016, 07:01:07 am
It is not implemented yet.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Sashamaru on May 03, 2016, 07:07:29 am
@nguyenquan1

As was said, no changes are required as of yet. There will be an announcement when we make that switch.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: BONKERS on May 03, 2016, 08:42:22 am
Eh, the new icons are fine the more I look at them. Change is never easy, and gets easier with time.

Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: TheSddt on May 03, 2016, 09:56:17 am
This was made as a suggestion using paint
It's just shown for visualisation
Do not get into the technicalities
I am learning bits and piece of adobe illustrator so maybe I can actually make an SVG file of them
But for now
(http://puu.sh/oAczR/16fd75ceb8.png)

I had 3 specific feedbacks-
1)Light Novel with a small 'N'
2)No implementation of the left hand side of the icons
   (Since not all icons are of same size, a contrast of sizes is noted that is not exactly a desirable effect)
   The image above helps Light Novel and Live Action fill some of that space
   The Hentai Manga icon gave a good idea that two worded icons can have the 1st word coloured
3) Icon size has changed (which is good) but the height b/w each search entry is too big
    either content size should be rescaled to blend in or that extra height which is present on top and below of the icon should         
    be trimmed.
 
Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
[/spoiler]

I have read A bit if a Site Overhaul (http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=44007.msg5074023#msg5074023)
and now see why this sudden (it seemed to me as I joined recently) change in icons

I, myself, hated Nokia when they replace the (cool according to me) 3D icons to a flat and simple ones
But I see that it is the look of the future ...actually they are used for faster load time  :P

The new look does complement the new icons (just if some tweakings can be made)

There is a stylish script to restore old icons here: https://userstyles.org/styles/127264/bakabt-restore-old-icons
It also has a light novel icon.

Also I would like thank Xgraphy for all those who would like to see the old icons

But, it would be very nice if BBT implement different stylesheets like aB
so that both styles are preserved
Krudda was given the old CSS ... so it is still available on A bit if a Site Overhaul (reply by buchno) (https://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=44007.msg5074065#msg5074065)

I have used 8443 recently as I could not (it seemed) connect to any peers using 2710
Maybe it was a temporary thing with my client/connection
If it arises again, I will inform
 :)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: CandyMan9999 on May 03, 2016, 02:15:04 pm
I don't want to be rude or something, but this new icons are just awful. It would've been great if we had an option in SETTINGS to choose which set of icons we like more.

This is an example from another tracker http://s20.postimg.org/67otrx1t9/icons.png

There is a stylish script to restore old icons here: https://userstyles.org/styles/127264/bakabt-restore-old-icons
It also has a light novel icon.

Thank you very much, this script is very useful.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: TheSddt on May 03, 2016, 04:55:20 pm
This is an example from another tracker http://s20.postimg.org/67otrx1t9/icons.png

No offence but using Mickey Mouse and Pooh the bear
as an icon for Anime :hang:
:chair: :rant: :rant: :chair:

Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: CandyMan9999 on May 03, 2016, 09:43:00 pm
Yeah I know... The guy that made those sets is a shitty designer, but you get the point.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Micharus on May 04, 2016, 11:28:10 am
As far as the new Icons go, I like them, they are *much* easier to see.

The other issue I'm currently having with my torrent client.... will be sorted eventually ;)
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Duki3003 on May 04, 2016, 10:43:33 pm
Had some time today to play with it so the Light Novel icon has been fixed, and I messed around with some alternatives for the HD icon, since yeah, it was pretty bad at 12x12. It was also one of the side requests, but no one offered an alternative.
We'll try and play a bit with the icon padding, but removing it, while it reduces whitespace people are mostly complaining about, it makes everything look cluttered.
We are well aware that some sites offer themes for the user to pick, as well as separate icon sets, but as I said previously said, it's very unlikely we will be implementing such a feature any time soon.

For those that simply hate the icons and everything else regarding the "new" layout and praise the old one, you're free to use userscripts to tweak the site any way you like.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: TheSddt on May 04, 2016, 11:41:01 pm
Thanks for fixing the LN icon
The new HD icon is definitely bigger and thus much more comprehensible
 :mml:

EDIT
(http://puu.sh/oGrE8/05636b1d9b.png)
While I like the use of icons
This kinda feels like clutter to me
What if it was outside the Icon Art (i.e. is white space) lined up vertically

EDIT2
It won't work for Icons Like Hentai OVA
:(
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ridon428 on May 05, 2016, 03:37:11 pm
Oh, goodie. Light Novel icon fixed :mml:

(http://i.imgur.com/FfYFBYE.png)
Big icons = more space for keywords. ;)

I still have some suggestions:
Bookmark: an image of a bookmark instead of a star. We can have star for favorites ;)
Uploaded: same green circle but an arrow up drawing.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: TheSddt on May 05, 2016, 05:10:30 pm
I wish they have an icon for snatched torrents
Many a times we search for torrents and the results include ones we have already snatched
so it would be nice to have an icon for that, preferably the green circle with a tick mark (like in the pic above)

HD icon looks great (at first it was weird ... as you are kinda used to the old ones but as it grows on you, you love it!! )
Nice Job to whoever made it
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Kakisho on May 09, 2016, 01:51:38 pm
I am not a very active member on BakaBT, but I joined seven years ago, and recently I decided to get involved on whim with the last banner contest.
I'd like to share my opinion of the new icons. I am not making judgement comparing them to the previous icons. These are my criticisms of the current ones:

1. The icons are not visually coherent. They do not feel like they belong in the same set.
 i. The art style and detail widely varies. Light Novel looks clean and minimalist. Movie looks like minimalist and clip art (not "clean" due to use of gradients instead of solid tones). Soundtrack looks clean but not minimalist. Then, while most of the icons use broad shapes, some like Series and Manga use many small shapes which have a very cluttered appearance especially at its sizing.
 ii. OVA has a very heavy weight to it (black border) which gives it a shadow effect, while Series has a small shadow effect and many other icons have no shadow. This creates a mess of different levels of "3D" where some icons pop off the page more.
2. They do not complement BakaBT's lavender and fluffy theme (dango). As such, they disrupt the user experience.
  i. Color palettes are used haphazardly and disproportionately. There isn't a a good reason why certain icons are in complete black and white when that has no correlation with the content. Half of the icons blend in with the color palette (pink and purple), while the other half half completely stand out (red, blue, yellow).
3. The font used does not have proper kerning so letters are difficult to distinguish (difficult to read).
4. Some text colors match background colors and are difficult to read (e.g. pink on pink for Hentai OVA).
5. Spacing between the text and icons are haphazard and inconsistent, which looks visually displeasing. For example "OVA" and "Manga" lets the text touch the graphic, "Movie" has a large space beside the graphic, and "Series" overlaps on top of the graphic.
6. As such, the graphic locations are inconsistent, some are tiny while others are too wide fit beside the text. These inconsistency makes it intuitive to learn the scheme. For someone like me who took a quick look, I need to manually read the text often while I'm scrolling to be reminded what is the category.
7. Along with some graphics looking noisy due to downscaling complex images (Manga and Series), other graphics have subjects without proper padding such as the heart symbol in Hentai Manga, which should have additional space around it. If you're confused why there needs to be this, the composition of needs a certain ratio of white space around it so the eyes can easily register the subject in the box. There needs to be proper margins set across the board to reduce eye strain.

I don't know if the last banners I submitted last contest mean anything in terms of my credentials for basic graphic design, but I would hope the BakaBT team does not consider letting people use userscripts is a proper bandaid as that will not be an effective solution for new members who are unaware of the workaround. I don't want to be presumptuous and say I know what's best for BakaBT or what's BakaBT's goal if it wants to grow or be attractive, etc., but I tried to be objective with my criticisms.

After writing these criticisms, I've read the thread and without changing what I've written thus far, I believe Aemony understands some of the basic design principles that have not been upheld in the latest changes to BakaBT's icons. Some of my criticisms overlap, but others don't, and above all they are mine and I came to them on my own without riding off any sort of bandwagon or before hearing other people's opinions.

I partially agree with Aemony's suggestion for a different icon scheme based on the venn diagram. It properly indicates the relation between how the icon should represent the category. Using a base template for Videos, Books or Music makes a lot of sense, and these broad categories should be easily distinguishable. Where I disagree, however, is that there are easy and effective graphics that can be used to differentiate the subcategories. What image do you want for Live Action? A roll of film? Something that looks realistic? Are you supposed to pair that with the base "Video" icon which will already be a "Play" icon or a "Film" icon? From a glance, will you be able to tell that "Video + Live Action" icon is what it is compared to "Video + OVA" or "Video + Anime Movie?" The reason why I did not submit an entry for this contest is because I could not come up with an elegant icon scheme.

Here is my suggestion. The graphic does not matter, if the graphics don't help then do not feel pigeonholed to rely on an incompatible system. For a modern look, use an actually designed, adaptable, easy to read font, and in clean letters spell out the category with minor flair. Consider the icons http://www.nyaa.se/ uses. They're all anime girls. It just spells out what the category is and uses color coding to make it easy to differentiate a large amount of information on the screen at once.

If people do not come up with improvements I can make a mock up. Once again, the main reason why I did not create and icon set myself previously was because I did not have a good idea in my head that would meet my standards. That being said, making something that looks better than this is not difficult.

If anyone has any questions with what I said or disagree, etc., please feel free to respond, though I am not very active.

Everything previously was my serious thoughts on the topic. Everything from here forward is me ranting:

I don't want to be a part of BakaBT if people think this looks okay.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: TheSddt on May 09, 2016, 02:32:52 pm
Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.

Well, you did see positive comments in that thread re: the current icons
You could come up with better icons, you said so yourself, right?

I think you should have posted those when you saw the deadline approaching
Because, IIRC in the end there was a competition held (and extended) and it was told that the most compelling design would be chosen
Sadly, I missed all of this (not that I would be able to contribute anything  :P )
Mistgun happened to post the most compelling design so it was chosen IMO
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ridon428 on May 09, 2016, 03:10:28 pm
If people do not come up with improvements I can make a mock up. Once again, the main reason why I did not create and icon set myself previously was because I did not have a good idea in my head that would meet my standards. That being said, making something that looks better than this is not difficult.

If anyone has any questions with what I said or disagree, etc., please feel free to respond, though I am not very active.

Everything previously was my serious thoughts on the topic. Everything from here forward is me ranting:

I don't want to be a part of BakaBT if people think this looks okay.
1. Your standards is not everyone's standards.
2. If you submitted something and it was implemented, how would you feel if everyone called it 'trash'? Trust me, it will most likely happen.
3. You are always free to leave BakaBT. No one's stopping you. Too bad someone can kick us out of here.

Like I said before, everyone is still trying to adopt the new site design. A lot of people complained with the site overhaul before.
Give it a month or two and everyone calms down and continue their daily life.

If you have some time, please make category icons and post it here even though the competition's over. We'll see which fits better on the site.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Duki3003 on May 09, 2016, 09:49:49 pm
*snip*
If people do not come up with improvements I can make a mock up. Once again, the main reason why I did not create and icon set myself previously was because I did not have a good idea in my head that would meet my standards. That being said, making something that looks better than this is not difficult.
*snip*
I don't want to be a part of BakaBT if people think this looks okay.
If you want, you may design a new set, provide them in vector form, either SVG or AI. We may, or may not replace them if we like your style better.
Alternatively, yes, no one is stopping you from leaving if the some coloured pixels bother you that much.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Kakisho on May 09, 2016, 11:06:08 pm
Thank you for the three responses.

I regret including a rant at the end of my criticisms because whether or I stay or leave is neither relevant or productive (and I did end up setting myself up for a "no one's stopping you" comment), for that, I apologize and would like to take that back.

I would like to reply to everyone. I am quoting sections just to keep it easy to read.
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Well, you did see positive comments in that thread re: the current icons

I think you should have posted those when you saw the deadline approaching
I did not include praise in my criticisms, there are praise worthy parts of the icon set, but I was only intending to address the faults. I'm aware that everyone's opinions are different, and I am not trying to stomp on other people's opinions. I am not saying other people are wrong if they like the icon set. I am saying I do not like them. I did see the deadline approaching, and I was scared that there were no good submissions and I felt awkward for the  moderators who would have to bite a bullet hoping something would show up. I won't comment on the decisions they made because I do not know the factors that went into the decision process during the site overhaul. I am just a citizen of the internet with minimum affiliation to the places I travel. I did not feel like I had a responsibility to create new icons for BakaBT, so I do not think of it as a "you should have," but rather a "would you be willing to?"

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1. Your standards is not everyone's standards.
2. If you submitted something and it was implemented, how would you feel if everyone called it 'trash'? Trust me, it will most likely happen.
3. You are always free to leave BakaBT. No one's stopping you. Too bad someone can kick us out of here.
Like I said before, everyone is still trying to adopt the new site design. A lot of people complained with the site overhaul before.
Give it a month or two and everyone calms down and continue their daily life.

If you have some time, please make category icons and post it here even though the competition's over. We'll see which fits better on the site.

I was not trying to impose my standards on other people, which is why I am not trying to force action. It was because I did not feel like I could create something "good" before that I did not come to the table. Currently, I felt like I could make something "better" which other people could like.
I refrained from calling the current icon set trash because those types of insults are not productive. I did insult them but I overwhelmingly tried to do so in a clear and logical way so that people could easily  improve it. For example, I called attention to the color scheme being inconsistent, that implies making it more consistent would be better. I called the icon set for not using proper kerning, a person could watch a YouTube video on kerning and then know how to clean up the text to reduce eye strain. I could reword my entire post from criticisms to criticisms + a guide on how someone else could improve it. Also, if people were averse to my icon set I would be highly flexible to make the improvement. Personally, I take criticism very well and am always interested in hearing as many opinions as possible about my work to help me grow as a artist and human. I would not mind people calling me trash if they don't like my work. I hope this doesn't turn into a fight.
Finally, nothing I said was based off of a atmosphere or bandwagon effect. I wrote my post before reading anything (I am not an active member of BakaBT), and then went to see what was already to understand the situation and avoid being redundant. Thank you for offering to let me create icons even though the competition is over. I will consider it!

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If you want, you may design a new set, provide them in vector form, either SVG or AI. We may, or may not replace them if we like your style better.
Alternatively, yes, no one is stopping you from leaving if the some coloured pixels bother you that much.

Thank you for offering to let me create a new set for your website. I have not decided yet if I will do it (busy with school), but if I do I promise I will earnestly make an attempt to follow through and create something in line with what I've said so far. And I'm sorry if my rant rubbed people off the wrong way. It was not meant to be taken as the heart of what I had to say. I know you only jokingly belittled the argument, but the reason why the appearance bothers me is because it is stifling. When people interact with anything, the user interface is the most important thing to trick the mind into intuitively using it. When BakaBT is a full fledged, well-functioning tracker, it is a shame and waste if it does not look that way. One user commented that the current appearances looks "unprofessional." I know it must be difficult to weigh the weights of people's opinion when only a vocal minority take the time to voice their opinions. That is why I tried to keep my criticisms based solely on the actual subject of the icons and not in relation with the old ones (keeping all bias out of the equation). The only things I talked about (besides rant) are things based in the question how could we improve? It is not related about how much it "bothers me." Me removed from the equation does not change the value of my criticisms. Whether or not you think a Gundam face is a good way to depict Series is not a debate I'm making. Whether or not you think blue is the right color for Series is not what I'm debating. These are subjective and difficult to settle on something, which makes everyone happy. But the fact that the Gundam face looks relatively cluttered because of its scaling, or that the blue wide screen TV icon being much larger than the other icons is not something people can debate. It is not a subjective argument people can take different sides on. Objectively, some icons look flat because they use solid tones, some icons use solid tons but also have black borders which give the impression of shadows. Other icons use gradients. I did not say something like "The OVA icon looks really ugly." But I will say that its appearance is inconsistent with Movies or Soundtrack or many of the other icons.

I think we on the same page so I will not continue. I'd like to apologize for the length of which I've spoken, I am not sure if it is considered not the norm to speak like this on the message board. Once again, thank you for talking to me as it reassures me that the discussion is not closed. I am interested in hearing more of people's thoughts regarding the current icon set and what they ideally envision, as it is all material for how I might imagine improving it. Before I do, if I do decide to submit something, I will also go through the actual New Icon Competition thread's submissions and discussion again to review and improve on why some more visually coherent submissions were not chosen.

Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Duki3003 on May 09, 2016, 11:28:32 pm
It is not my attempt to belittle your argument, with which I may or may not agree with, rather statements such as you and few others being so disappointed or offended with icons and saying how they are grandiosely leaving because of it.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Kakisho on May 09, 2016, 11:33:11 pm
Then, could I ask you for your opinion on the subject?

Do you think the current icons are an improvement over the old ones? Why or why not?
Do you agree with the criticisms I've provided? Why or why not?
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Duki3003 on May 10, 2016, 12:11:54 am
Yes, I do think they are an improvement otherwise I wouldn't have put them up in the first place. Could they be better, probably. Would I wish I had more choice? Of course, I said that in the first post not as many as we hoped applied at all.

1. and 2. Ok, create a better matching set.
3. Font can be replaced, I picked a random one that looked modern, perhaps another would be a better fit, with proper kerning. Still it's not an easy task.
4. Only Hentai OVA suffers from this, every other icon is perfectly readable to anyone who isn't suffering from any colourblind deficiency.
5. Imagine that, different words have different lengths...
6. I do not mind this inconsistency as much. Again as with 1 and 2, offer a better solution.
7. I agree on the complex graphics not being my favourites, but I had to take what I had to work with and just run with it.

Anyway, I do not want to waste more time discussing, so if you want to make a better set, feel free. However I do wish you stepped up several months ago, too few people were contributing. Nor in advice for the participants, nor in the actual submissions.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Spectralfire on May 10, 2016, 12:26:46 am
However I do wish you stepped up several months ago, too few people were contributing. Nor in advice for the participants, nor in the actual submissions.
Perhaps in the future for community requests such as this a second thread could be posted between the original thread and the intended change being applied. It could contain the options laid out neatly and easily to read (as compared to scrolling through a whole tread and picking out relevant comments) to show the community the options that have been put forth so far in order to encourage this discussion and feedback that has been generated now after it is too late.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: mateka on May 10, 2016, 02:10:32 pm
I just came up with an idea. Maybe next time when there will some site overhaul, try running a public beta test. Put out the new design for everybody to see and then fine tune it based on new feedback.

I'm surprised so few submissions were made honestly and IMO the vector criterium limited them slightly but nonetheless I see the positives of vector icons.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: qbin on May 11, 2016, 01:11:17 am
Guys, sorry for distracting you from your very serious business, but what's with SSL userpics? I can see unsecured ones right on this page, including admins'. Will they be transferred to a secured location automagically one day, or users have to do something with their pics manually?
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: jiop on May 11, 2016, 02:15:34 am
Guys, sorry for distracting you from your very serious business, but what's with SSL userpics? I can see unsecured ones right on this page, including admins'. Will they be transferred to a secured location automagically one day, or users have to do something with their pics manually?

Forum userpics doesn't support HTTPS links right now.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: mistie710 on May 16, 2016, 01:25:25 pm
Like I said before, everyone is still trying to adopt the new site design. A lot of people complained with the site overhaul before.
Give it a month or two and everyone calms down and continue their daily life.

If you have some time, please make category icons and post it here even though the competition's over. We'll see which fits better on the site.

That's all very well, but consider that people stop complaining if they believe that nobody is willing to listen to their complaints. What I've seen in this thread so far seems to have some reasonable requests, especially the size issue with which I certainly agree, and some of the design inconsistencies with which I don't necessarily agree but they do have a point - to be honest the icon can be so obscure that I would tend to read the text rather than take any notice of the graphic.

I'm not sure that the whole icon thing is worth giving up on BakaBT altogether but one thing that might swing a user generally is if they feel that the management here is taking the same attitude towards its members as Google do towards its users or, possibly with more relevance, uTorrent has towards its users. While those in charge have every right to do what they want with the site, their attitude towards users can make a lot of difference and that would be more of a reason to question remaining than any issue about the site design.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: jpishadow on May 17, 2016, 05:32:54 am
Not getting any of my bonus upload now for a week, when I usually get a minimum of 8 while running 8 hours. Well, except for 2 points. Did they change the ports without telling us?
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: Duki3003 on May 17, 2016, 10:25:00 am
Yes we did. We decided to do it secretly so no one other than the chosen 300 can use the tracker and hog all the bonus points.
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: jpishadow on May 19, 2016, 06:04:43 am
Yes we did. We decided to do it secretly so no one other than the chosen 300 can use the tracker and hog all the bonus points.
:P
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: misakitchi on August 09, 2016, 01:38:42 pm
I prefere old Icones category...  :(
Give it back please!
Title: Re: New category icon set and security updates
Post by: ridon428 on August 09, 2016, 03:31:31 pm
I prefere old Icones category...  :(
Give it back please!
No one's listening. But there's a way to get it back yourself:
There is a stylish script to restore old icons here: https://userstyles.org/styles/127264/bakabt-restore-old-icons
It also has a light novel icon.