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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17600 on: January 11, 2017, 05:34:34 am »
At least the humidity is low.
Ideal humidity range is 40-70%
Less or more is not good. 25% humidity is extremely bad.

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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17601 on: January 11, 2017, 05:37:54 am »
I can't remember the last time humidity was as low as 70% :'(
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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17602 on: January 11, 2017, 05:38:58 am »
Dunno, I can barely handle 60%.
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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17603 on: January 11, 2017, 05:55:43 am »
100% humidity. That is the usual for me most of the time.

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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17604 on: January 11, 2017, 06:24:08 am »
100% humidity. That is the usual for me most of the time.
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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17605 on: January 11, 2017, 06:41:18 am »
Turns out we have all kinds of Tim Tams in the US now. Neat.

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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17606 on: January 11, 2017, 07:58:21 am »
I hate the term 'SJW' is the right wing version of 'fascist'.
An empty term used by people to justify straw-men arguments.
I don't quite get what you mean considering it's an actual term referring to something really specific.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior
What I mean is that it's become the 'go-to' term for basically everything.
I'm sure you're aware that words/terms can deviate from their intended usage.

I've seen SJW being used as an 'insult' or 'and thus the conversation has ended, watch as as I shit on the chess board' because someone posted something along the lines of 'Women should get equal pay for equal work' to 'Maybe companies shouldn't be totally one skin tone, ya dig' to 'Tossing homosexuals off of buildings is a bad thing, mmk' to 'Wow...that Blurred Lines song seem pretty damn rapey as fuck' to...you get my point.


I've seen it used is so many ways, often times with little to no context other than 'see, I posted SJW, thus you're a looser and I win the debate'.



I've also seen more left leaning folks use the term 'fascist' in the same way.

From 'O, you're not offended that someone said Merry Christmas? You're a fucking fascist' to 'You think Muslim women should be forced to, at least, show their faces in public spaces for safety reasons, sound pretty Nazi/fascist to me' to 'You bought your daughter a pink toy and your son a blue toy? Sounds like something a gender-phobic fascist would do'.



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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17607 on: January 11, 2017, 08:04:39 am »
I heard of plenty of people getting freaked out by "Happy holidays", but I have never actually heard of anybody get offended by being told "Merry Christmas". I'm sure they exist but that can't be common.
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« Reply #17608 on: January 11, 2017, 05:10:16 pm »
I've seen it used is so many ways, often times with little to no context other than 'see, I posted SJW, thus you're a looser and I win the debate'.



I've also seen more left leaning folks use the term 'fascist' in the same way.

From 'O, you're not offended that someone said Merry Christmas? You're a fucking fascist' to 'You think Muslim women should be forced to, at least, show their faces in public spaces for safety reasons, sound pretty Nazi/fascist to me' to 'You bought your daughter a pink toy and your son a blue toy? Sounds like something a gender-phobic fascist would do'.

The problem I see here is that the second example is precisely what a I would consider a SJW would say...probably even the first one if you replace 'SJW' with 'misogynist' or whatever.
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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17609 on: January 11, 2017, 05:39:06 pm »
At least the humidity is low.
Ideal humidity range is 40-70%
Less or more is not good. 25% humidity is extremely bad.

I have about as much concept of what 25% humidity is as you do of -30 celsius.

I "know" that it's bad, but I have no point of reference.

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« Reply #17610 on: January 11, 2017, 05:50:56 pm »
Low humidity is bad in the cold, but we're talking 40°C.
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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17611 on: January 11, 2017, 07:00:44 pm »
At least the humidity is low.
Ideal humidity range is 40-70%
Less or more is not good. 25% humidity is extremely bad.

I have about as much concept of what 25% humidity is as you do of -30 celsius.

I "know" that it's bad, but I have no point of reference.
Isn't -30 pretty much always super low humidity though?

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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17612 on: January 11, 2017, 07:35:21 pm »
At least the humidity is low.
Ideal humidity range is 40-70%
Less or more is not good. 25% humidity is extremely bad.

I have about as much concept of what 25% humidity is as you do of -30 celsius.

I "know" that it's bad, but I have no point of reference.
Isn't -30 pretty much always super low humidity though?
Not necessarily. % Humidity is a measure of the amount of water compared to the capacity at given temperature, not the absolute value. So while the absolute amount drops to negligible values the actual percentage doesn't. Still, I myself only really associate humidity with the heat it's kind of weird for me to think about it in the context of the cold.

It's currently -8c at 88% humidity and looking at the local meteorological services forecasts, the humidity values for the next week range from 88% to 96%

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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17613 on: January 11, 2017, 07:56:16 pm »
I'll give you an example of 25% humidity @ 40 degrees.

Its dry. So dry that there's a high risk you could rapidly dehydrate. With so little moisture in the air, in order to avoid splitting open, your skin starts sucking water from the nearest source - you.
This water is lost quickly due to the high heat. Sure, its not uncomfortable, but it is a serious risk to your health.
It isn't uncommom for the elderly to just drop dead due to high heat and low humidity.
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« Reply #17614 on: January 11, 2017, 08:46:00 pm »
I'll give you an example of 25% humidity @ 40 degrees.

Its dry. So dry that there's a high risk you could rapidly dehydrate. With so little moisture in the air, in order to avoid splitting open, your skin starts sucking water from the nearest source - you.
This water is lost quickly due to the high heat. Sure, its not uncomfortable, but it is a serious risk to your health.
It isn't uncommom for the elderly to just drop dead due to high heat and low humidity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4727467/

To be fair if it was 40 and >80% humidity, it wouldn't be just the elderly that would die.

No. I understand the stuff in theory. What I'm saying is that I have no personal reference towards a heat as high as that without there being moisture in the air. Showing me data isn't going to change that. The only way to do so would be for me to go to a desert.

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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17615 on: January 11, 2017, 09:03:34 pm »
If the humidity is too high when it's hot, you'll sweat even more because there's too much moisture in the air to evaporate the sweat to cool you down.
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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17616 on: January 11, 2017, 09:11:09 pm »
The reason high humidity is uncomfortable is because the air is thicker, not because you sweat more.
Also, why do you sweat more? Makes no logical sense to me, when its dry, you sweat and it evaporates, so your body continues to sweat, and is kept a bit cooler.
When its wet, your body sweats and it can't evaporate - evaporative cooling is ineffective.

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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17617 on: January 11, 2017, 09:33:25 pm »
https://engineering.mit.edu/ask/why-do-we-sweat-more-high-humidity

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- sweat isn't already cold when it comes out of skin, and cooling only happens through evaporation
- the body doesn't know when to stop sweating based on how much is already perspired
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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17618 on: January 11, 2017, 09:42:12 pm »
Yes, I know. Thats exactly what I just said.

It is because when it is wet, and you sweat, that it doesn't evaporate, thus not cooling your body.

It does not mean you sweat more.

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Re: The General Cat Chat Thread 4
« Reply #17619 on: January 11, 2017, 10:00:31 pm »
Maybe the wording is a bit confusing here.
Whether the humidity is high or low, as long as it's hot a person would sweat a lot and dehydrate probably equally in either condition.
What I mean though is that a person will sweat a lot more at once due to the lack of evaporative cooling, because sweat glands act on temperature rather than fluid reserves. If the room I'm in were too humid I'll be soggy by doing absolutely nothing.
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